Busman wrote:Continuing to publicly bitch and moan about it doesn't help anyone.

Personally, I'm not going to begrudge a few final salvoes from the members here who waited months and months without hearing a single word from the legend-in-his-own-mind publisher they were supporting. Especially now that it turns out that PPP's idea of shipping is to toss an item into a bag without any support or padding. (Sidebar: seriously, guys ... not a good way to end what was already a gruesome train-wreck).

As far as your advice to "contact the people who can do something about it," I'll counter with some advice of my own: try reading the rest of this thread before you spout that kind of bullshit. What is the most common complaint you see? The complete lack of communication from RJK, that's what. Communication only works if there's someone to communicate WITH, bro ... tell that to your hero RJK the next time you see him.

From what I have been reading, is the big map suppose to be signed and numbered as well?

Mine isn't so but Aneoth's post suggests that his is.

Xaxaxe wrote:Personally, I'm not going to begrudge a few final salvoes from the members here who waited months and months without hearing a single word from the legend-in-his-own-mind publisher they were supporting. Especially now that it turns out that PPP's idea of shipping is to toss an item into a bag without any support or padding. (Sidebar: seriously, guys ... not a good way to end what was already a gruesome train-wreck).

As far as your advice to "contact the people who can do something about it," I'll counter with some advice of my own: try reading the rest of this thread before you spout that kind of bullshit. What is the most common complaint you see? The complete lack of communication from RJK, that's what. Communication only works if there's someone to communicate WITH, bro ... tell that to your hero RJK the next time you see him.

I don't know RJK, never met him, never purchased anything of his, and I don't support his business practices in any way; so your tantrum is misdirected. Maybe you should try reading my entire post, let alone thread before you continue.

BUT, if you have a beef with the shipping, it was clearly Mr. Snook who did the packaging and sent them off. He is not RJK, he has responded to this thread and posted multiple places about this debacle and how he was personally going to RJK's house and getting the shipping done, etc.

But, please continue to stew in your anger and childish attitude. You are conducting yourself as if you were a boy with no control on his emotional faculties at all. Adults handle the situation and move forward. Get a grip. Seriously, look at how you are handling yourself. It's like this is the first investment you've ever made and had go belly up. Collecting is not a guarantee. You make bets, sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.

Are you seriously going to let $150 ruin your blood pressure for 6 months?

Busman wrote:Are you seriously going to let $150 ruin your blood pressure for 6 months?

Hey, genius, here's a newsflash for you: I invested exactly $0 in this debacle. I don't give out interest-free loans as a general principle, and I was especially turned off by PPP's tiered pricing scam with their two most recent modules, so there wasn't a chance in hell I was supporting this project.

And, wow, speaking of tantrums ... nice rant there, Mr. Calm And Collected. You know, you seem really, really bothered by this thread, so I'll throw out some free advice: stop reading it. Nine days ago, in fact, this thread had become so unbearable to you that you mounted your soap box to proclaim:

Busman wrote:This thread should be locked, if at all possible. It's clearly gone beyond anything constructive.

So, given that this thread was useless to you nine days ago, why are you still hanging around?

I think I know the answer, actually: you get off on telling people how they should act ... and you're having a great time now spewing your holier-than-thou "step up and do something about it" bullshit. But guess what, Mr. Busman? You don't get to tell anyone here how they should act, or what the accepted response is when one is left hanging, with zero communication, by an alleged gaming "legend" who has, for all intents and purposes, spent roughly a year pissing in the face of the very same people who supported his vanity project in the first place.

Those who were pissed upon have every right to come here and vent until they run out of things to say. Again, if that is somehow too much for your delicate sensibilities, find another thread to read. We have plenty.

Xaxaxe wrote:So, given that this thread was useless to you nine days ago, why are you still hanging around?

I think I know the answer, actually: you get off on telling people how they should act ... and you're having a great time now spewing your holier-than-thou "step up and do something about it" bullshit. But guess what, Mr. Busman? You don't get to tell anyone here how they should act, or what the accepted response is when one is left hanging, with zero communication, by an alleged gaming "legend" who has, for all intents and purposes, spent roughly a year pissing in the face of the very same people who supported his vanity project in the first place.

Those who were pissed upon have every right to come here and vent until they run out of things to say. Again, if that is somehow too much for your delicate sensibilities, find another thread to read. We have plenty.

But, you do get to tell people what the acceptable reaction is?

I'm plenty calm. I also invested $0 in this. I'm disgusted by PPPs policies and how this whole thing played out, and I've learned that I won't be purchasing anything to support PPP going forward as they've earned the right to no further purchases.

But, I stand by my post 9 days ago (glad you finally were able to take your own advise and go back and read the thread). This thread has gone beyond anything useful.

I am a completely uninvolved 3rd party looking at this from a completely outside perspective. I don't know anyone on this board personally, nor anyone at PPP or TSR, etc. From my perspective the bitching on this thread is reaching mob mentality and is basically worthless. It's gone well beyond warning anyone off from PPP and describing the problems to useless piling on anything.

In fact, If I were running a business and sold you guys something, I think you've guys have reached that point were I wouldn't bother trying to salve your wounds, as clearly there is nothing that will appease.

What's the saying, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?

And since we both invested the same amount of money in this venture, I suspect we both have just as much value posting here.

JohnGaunt wrote:OK, Xaxaxe, stop hiding your feelings and tell us how you really feel.  

Actually, I'm going to take my own advice and start giving this thread a miss. Now that my fellow Acaeum members are at least receiving what they paid for, I don't have a lot more to add.

Thanks again, Allen and Jaybird and others who have tried their best to salvage something out of this train-wreck. It's too bad you guys got caught in the middle.

Xaxaxe wrote:Gee whiz, Mr. Busman, you're going to have to do better than that ... your newly-registered alter ego just managed to quote the exact same section of my earlier post that you did. You need to cover your tracks at least a little bit.

Multiple accounts are generally frowned upon here ... but I'll let you discuss that with FoulFoot; I just PM'd him.

Wow, your paranoia knows no bounds. Have Foulfoot check the IPs. I have nothing to worry about. This is exactly the sort of piling on I was talking about. It is possible, as I'm living proof, to believe that PPP *AND* some members of this board are acting much less than humanely (please also note that I'm not saying that the actions are equally repulsive, just both are repulsive).

someone999 wrote:
Many of us HAVE found another thread (and bulletin board) to read. This place, it seems to me, has largely become a haven for a closed-minded group of puerile cretins who think that they have a corner on the market of good sense when it comes to collecting D&D items. There are those of us out here with serious collections who have tired of this ridiculous ranting, calling people "idiots" at the drop of a hat, etc. Maybe RJK hasn't acted in the best interest of his fans or the future marketability of his company's products...

Agreed....Aaaaand you should have stopped right there.  

As far as I'm concerned at this point...it's finished. Pretty much everyone has gotten the product. Rob can attempt to patch together the trust he seems to have lost from his fan base.  The fans can move on from here and decide whether to support Rob or other third party publishers taking this into account. However, if someone who paid $150 for a LE or $20 fro a SE of Bottle City wants to rant awhile, what's the harm. That's the purpose of threads like this, blow off a little steam without anyone getting physically injured. Bygones.

But, have you paused to consider that the man might be going through some serious psychological, financial, and/or life-change issues that have prevented him from living up to your inflated expectations?

Considered...but in the end don't really care. The man is running a business...end of story.  I don't give most people who owe me product for money a pass for 9 months, sorry.... I wouldn't expect the same out of people I owed product for money, no matter what the circumstances.

It all boiled down to a matter of communication.  People will forgive you almost anything should you let them know you screwed up.  For Rob not to keep in touch with his contributors except through 3rd parties was a gaffe of legendary proportions.

Sure, maybe Kuntz isn't a "legend" exactly, but he sure as hell got a great deal of credit from EGG, someone whom we all admire and are still mourning the loss of. There are a few modules (S3 comes to mind) in which RJK is listed as a major inspiration by Gygax, even though his name doesn't appear in the credits at all.

This is pertinent.....how? Famous people don't screw up on ocassion?

Whether you bought Bottle City or not (I did), Rob Kuntz deserves your forbearance, if not your respect.

Forbearance was given for until it was noted Rob had all the product at his house....for three months....and couldn't get an item one shipped.

Would you be ranting like a spoiled child deprived of a third lollipop if it were Gary Gygax who failed to mail your precious module in a timely fashion... I think not.

Sure I would.  But then, I'm not a mealy mouthed ass kissing troll like yourself. Get the hell out of here.

Mike B.

I don't give most people who owe me product for money a pass for 9 months, sorry.... I wouldn't expect the same out of people I owed product for money, no matter what the circumstances.

Since its got nothing to do with what anyone else is saying (seeing as I have no stake in this whole thing, though I am tempted to track down a normal printing of the module to see it), I just wanted to say, again, thanks for giving me about a month to pay off that item I bought from you through the eBay store a while ago. You likely don't even remember it, but I do.

That's how a business should be. Open communication, with honesty so each side, through the wonderful power of contractual agreement, know what is up. Its no good to not give information, as it just leads to fear, and well, ask Yoda for the rest.