Aneoth wrote:
Is your SE module signed and hand numbered?

And as a side note. I have tried on several occasions (Different days) to access the PPP's link to the PDF of the Text of BC, and have never been able to get anything.

Yes, the SE's are signed and numbered also.....

Mike B.

So it seems that there is NO difference whatsoever in the actual LE and SE modules themselves.

Including (originally at least) most of the big selling points for the LE, of the author's original signature and limited print run and numbering.

From the outside looking in, it would seem logical to assume that there was no misprint in the numbering of the module or the price of $150 as indicated on the back of all the modules. It would seem (at least to me) that the person who ordered them (sent them out to be printed) chose to order one print one and one print run only, not two separate print runs. If that is not the case, then the printer screwed us all.

However, in any case; and throughout this entire episode, PPP has displayed risky albeit very interesting sales and customer service techniques.

I kinda feel like I was sold a used car by a shady man with a checkered coat and wearing a very tacky tie. "This car is one of just a few of its kind ever made, a limited edition in fact, and it's the last one we have on the lot" ……….  "Only a few of these fine beauties were ever made (Read that as being between 500,000-1,000,000)" …… "You'd better hurry up and decide though, because that cute couple over there are eye balling it as we speak." …………


Apparently, Limited Edition does not mean Limited Edition .......
Not really.

islestrike wrote:
Hmmmm.....so as originally envisioned the SE was going to be loose leaf pages in a plastic baggy.  BUT in that case how much would the cost be to only print 51 LEs in book form?  The theory then is to drive the print costs of the LEs down they added the SEs into the same print run to obtain a volume discount?   The 51 LEs HAVE to be printed no matter what, so do it cheaper by printing 500+ of them and send the remainder out as SEs with "print errors".  Nice.  

Anyone have both a LE and SE to confirm they are the exact same?

Cheers!

Obviously the booklet and module itself are exactly the same.  I'm sure the volume printing discount did come into play as regards the modules; they all say "Limited Collector's Edition $150" on the back.

As for the product itself, they aren't the EXACT same. My map is in two pieces; the LE is one large poster sized map. And I don't have the scans of the original MS. But otherwise, probably indistinguishable.

Might be worth noting this in the future as someone might try to sell a SE as a LE by pointing to the description on the back and saying "See?  Limited Colletor's Edition!".  Care will have to be taken in noting whether it's a one or two piece map.

Mike B.

Aneoth wrote:So it seems that there is NO difference whatsoever in the actual LE and SE modules themselves.

If you don't count the map and the reproduction of the original MS notes, then no, there are no differences at all.

Including (originally at least) most of the big selling points for the LE, of the author's original signature and limited print run and numbering.

Most of Rob's modules (COSK, TOB, for example) have come with certificates and are numbered with the author's signature.

Badmike wrote:And these are exactly the same as the cheaper copies also, except for the piece of paper inside designating them as a runic copy and Rob's sig on that piece of paper, there is no difference, correct? That's even less a difference than the Bottle City LE copies have with the SE copies.

Yes, that is so. There is no numbering or signature on the module booklets themselves, only on the certificate.

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By the way, anyone who cannot access the PDF on the PPP web site should send me a PM with his e-mail address. There are currently some issues with the web site that I cannot fix at the moment.

If you don't count the map and the reproduction of the original MS notes, then no, there are no differences at all.

As I stated.........

Aneoth wrote:

So it seems that there is NO difference whatsoever in the actual LE and SE modules themselves.

To make a further observation:
The larger map in the "LE" format is not exactly all that easy to read and is at this point (Not having yet read the Module itself) quite confusing, I can only imagine how the smaller two piece version looks. As for the scans, they are also hard to read and some parts are not legible.

But those things are not unsurprising to me, since the scans are from notes that were made in handwritting, and the map was also done by hand.

I also assume that the map situation will be made clear after reading and comparing it with the module.

I haven't seen any complaints about the maps but we'll see now that more copies are out. Given what the original looks like it would not be surprising if it were hard-to-read in spots.

So, exactly how many modules were printed?

500?
551?

some other number?

For the LE's:
Were they all numbered first, In other words are they (The LE Modules) numberd one through fifty one and the rest (The SE's) numbered fifty two through whatever?

Or was there no conscious decision for numbering the modules?

All,

I'd like to express my thanks to Rob & his team for the pleasant surprise of receiving my LE BC (#43) yesterday.

Due to the serious illness of a family member, I'm not actively collecting D&D anymore.

But this brightened my day.

It was "just what the doctor ordered" at a very tough time.

Regards,
Keith

Keith the Thief wrote:All,

Due to the serious illness of a family member, I'm not actively collecting D&D anymore.

Regards,
Keith

Sorry to hear you're having difficulties, Keith, and I thank you for making me feel like I actually helped lighten your load by helping get those out, if only a little bit, it helps me keep in my own mind that that's simply what gaming and fantasy adventuring is all about! I hope all turns out well for you and your family.