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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:48 am

OSRIC is Old-School Reference & Index Compendium. It's an attempt to create a free implementation of the 1st ed. AD&D rules that people can then use to create and publish 1st ed. compatible adventures and supplements without running into copyright issues.

XRP is Expeditious Retreat Press. They publish modules using OSRIC (among other systems, but that's the important one for this discussion). I'm assuming ERP is the same.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:50 am

ERP and XRP are both shorthand for Expeditious Retreat Press (it seems XRP is the preferred version).

OSRIC stands for "Old School Reference & Index Compilation" - Basically an emulation of old 1e rules and themes through the OGL (Open Gaming License).

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:57 am

Thanks folks.
I suspected the ERP/XRP definitions but had no idea about OSRIC.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:59 am

Aneoth wrote:Thanks folks.
I suspected the ERP/XRP definitions but had no idea about OSRIC.

FLGS..............?
Another question mark there.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:07 am

The texting thing is going to kill us old farts.
No longer do we see actual words used.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:32 am

Just to fill in a little more info since Aneoth is not the only person on this forum to have asked. OSRIC allows people to write adventures that are fully AD&D compatible. Whereas they would normally have to be extremely careful each and everytime not to reference anything written in the AD&D PH, DMG, and MM and thus be open to legal action, they can now work from the OSRIC SRD instead.

The basis for this is that game rules cannot be copyrighted, only their artistic presentation and of course the name of the game itself (AD&D).

Similarly then OSRIC is a name or mark that writers and publishers can slap on the cover of their modules to denote them as being compatible with OSRIC, thus alerting you the buyer that the module is compatible with AD&D with out them directly saying so. :wink:

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:05 pm

islestrike wrote:Just to fill in a little more info since Aneoth is not the only person on this forum to have asked. OSRIC allows people to write adventures that are fully AD&D compatible. Whereas they would normally have to be extremely careful each and everytime not to reference anything written in the AD&D PH, DMG, and MM and thus be open to legal action, they can now work from the OSRIC SRD instead.

The basis for this is that game rules cannot be copyrighted, only their artistic presentation and of course the name of the game itself (AD&D).

Similarly then OSRIC is a name or mark that writers and publishers can slap on the cover of their modules to denote them as being compatible with OSRIC, thus alerting you the buyer that the module is compatible with AD&D with out them directly saying so.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:12 pm

Aneoth wrote:
SRD

System Reference Documents

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:14 pm

jasonw1239 wrote:
System Reference Documents

You forgot to include another TLA in there to further confuse people.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:20 pm

Aneoth:
Rewrite 1E so you can't be sued = OSRIC.
Document which explains how to do so = SRD.

IMHO, it's just CYA, because if WotC started an IP case, it would be thrown out PDQ.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:25 pm

Now, to be fair, we can't make too much fun of anyone else relying on the use of TLAs ... or else we'll be total hypocrites. After all, we're all big fans of a game (a system, really) that introduced such gems as GPs, XP, AC, HD, THAC0, INT, WIS, DEX, a lowercase "d" that was universally acknowledged to mean "die" or "dice" ... and I could go on and on. We could fill pages and pages with D&D references here.

It was all second nature to us Back In The Day, but, remember, we had friends, family members, and neighbors who would look at it all and get no more meaning out of it than the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:55 pm

AD&D?

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:07 pm

Jaybird216 wrote:AD&D?

Accidental Death and Dismemberment

You know, the AD&D trademark has actually lapsed . . . so wouldn't it be cool to create an OSRIC knockoff called Accidental Death & Dismemberment, so that products could be called "AD&D compatible"?

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:22 pm

dcas wrote:Accidental Death and Dismemberment

You know, the AD&D trademark has actually lapsed . . . so wouldn't it be cool to create an OSRIC knockoff called Accidental Death & Dismemberment, so that products could be called "AD&D compatible"?

That would be SWEET! Your ideas intrigue me. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:53 pm

dcas wrote:Accidental Death and Dismemberment

You know, the AD&D trademark has actually lapsed . . . so wouldn't it be cool to create an OSRIC knockoff called Accidental Death & Dismemberment, so that products could be called "AD&D compatible"?

They may be the single best post on this forum ever. And there have been some amazing posts before.

If I had the Quentin font on my computer here at work, I would have thrown together a sample module cover. =)

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:28 pm

bombadil wrote:Back to the module itself for a moment...read it through completely last night, and man, I've got to say, it's one hell of an incredible adventure. There's a LOT of rich material in there!

Any connection to the Bottle City of Kandor? I was reading this weeks New Yorker last night & Michael Chabon had an article on superhero costumes where he mentioned the Bottle City of Kandor. He was also talking about reading comics in 1973, which is fairly close to the time this adventure was originally written. I'm not that familiar with the vast Superman continuity, but I have a vague memory of hearing of this bottle city concept when I was younger (was it on the Superfriends?).

Wikipedia to the rescue: it was on an episode of the Superfriends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandor#Other_media

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:42 am

There was a miniature city in an episode of Thundarr the Barbarian.

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:31 pm

For those who don't read the Pied Piper boards, apparently ENShook (has the handle Othlinden on the PPP boards) went to RJK's home and helped him get all out-standing orders into the mail:

ENShook wrote:Got out a large number of the remaining back log of orders... [snip]

Will complete the rest Sunday, with some of the most recent orders being processed on Thursday, making Pied Piper entirely caught up, but for the out of stock product.

Bottle City Finally Ships?

Its good that this is finally being handled, even though it doesn't excuse the fact that this only confirms that RJK was not being honest when he said weeks ago that all of the orders were in the mail at the point.

Still, its better for everyone to finally get their stuff than to not get it, so its certainly good news in that sense, and it (hopefully) puts an end to this drawn out affair once folks start getting the products they paid for.

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