People that make those type of posts speak volume about their character and personality and should be shunned by all.

And quite possibly stoned as well - see my post above!


More seriously - Brutally put - Rob has only himself to blame for most of the negative press on this.

enshook wrote:I stand by it though.

You "stand by it" ... yet have deleted all your posts? Pathetic.

Keep up the wonderful work you and Rhuvien and who knows how many other creator-worshippers are doing by enabling his behavior.

And I bet at least one member of this forum has all of the posts saved on his computer in any case

What I find funny are the attacks coming from the RJK friends/fanboys. How could they possibly think those are going to help?

Why are the victims (those who paid good money and got nothing) treated like the abuser, and the abuser (the one who got the money) treated like the victim?

There's a bad crazy in the world when a man can take thousands of dollars from customers, not follow through on his business obligations, and then to see his "friends" then attack his customers in his absence as though it was the fault of the customer.

I will say that both Grodog and DCAS both deserve a lot credit for not making excuses for RJK, and for understanding that there are serious issues at hand for PPP. I don't see either of those fine fellows castigating PPP customers for voicing their displeasure with the situation.

ExTSR wrote:Let's see if the promised items show up within a week or two. There have been several recent claims that everything's shipping.

You mean like the claims from January? February?

There've been a lot of "recent claims that everything is shipping."

Hi. Long time reader... first time poster... though I've been regged to post for quite some time now.

I see a couple of people here who know me, so hopefully I have some amount of street cred here.  

For the length and breadth of this fiasco, I've read most of the threads across the net and wanted to reply... yet what could I add to the mix other than my own personal experiences with Mr. RJK... so let me throw that in and sum things up for perspective.

In 2004, I entered into an agreement with RJK to co-author a 100,000 word game book concerning thaumaturgy and thaumaturgical creations.  I was to create 200 unique monsters... which I did... and fill out 60,000 words in the process... which I did.  To my knowledge, RJK might have wrote the introduction to the work... that's assuming I take him at his word on that.

He claimed to have shopped it around to no avail.  After a lengthy period of time... when it became painfully obvious that he a)was doing nothing on this project, and b) was doing nothing to promote it with publishers, I respectfully asked to be released from my NDA so that I could take the work I had already done and develop it on my own.

Never got a reply... never heard from him since.  In fact, when someone on his board asked him the status of the project, he completely lied.  I stepped in and corrected the misinformation only to see that thread later disappear.

My dealings with RJK are nothing in comparison to what others have experienced.  He cost me nothing moneywise... publishers have actually lost money contracting with him... including, but not limited to: Necromancer Games, Kenzer Games, and most recently Troll Lord Games which led to the final parting of personal ways between him and EGG some months ago.

Now I hear that he's resorted to cheating the customers... and yes, that's what it is: cheating and stealing, IMO.  His defenders aside... there's no way any reasonable person can look at RJK's track record with other companies (which is why he's self-publishing), look at the succession of promises, lies, and brush-offs he's put forth regarding Bottle City and come to any other logical conclusion other than the customers have been stuck for their cash... IMO.

In fact, it's pretty freaking creepy to hear grown men make excuses for him, cover for him and denigrate those who choose to actually complain about RJK's behavior on this point.  Only a good background in social psychology keeps me from being completely amazed at such defensive behavior.

In any case, the very fact that copies have been available for some time from NKG is a glaring point of evidence that not only is RJK capable of getting the modules out of his house and into distribution but that he has zero intention of honoring his commitments to those who took a financial chance on him.

Lastly, I think there's a word for this sort of behavior from him, and it starts with an F.  Were I taken for such sums of money... after a period of time, I would be filing a complaint with the Wisconsin Attorney General.  Fortunately, I learned my lesson with Mr. Kuntz three years ago and would never invest a solitary dime in his dreary little operation.

That's my two coppers... take it for whatever you think it might be worth.

This thread should be locked, if at all possible. It's clearly gone beyond anything constructive.

John Stark wrote:Posted by Rhuvien over at the Pied Piper site about this thread here at the Acaeum:



From this thread: Link

Figured you all would like to know what this guy thinks of you.

See, its exactly this kind of self-righteous nonsense that is going to fan the flames worse than they already are.

Did you folks here at the Acaeum catch what he's saying? Your character is called into question because you've vented some anger about not getting what you paid for.

No thought at all about the fact that RJK made this mess himself by stating he'd shipped all outstanding orders weeks ago, and then not following through.

No thought at all that folks work hard for their money, and expect to get what they've paid for in a timely fashion, from a business that was supposed to be earning the trust of their customers.

If this doesn't meet the definition of vapid fanboyism, I don't know what does.

I'm sure your lame attempt at trying to twist my comments to convince others to agree with your lying and pathetic post will go unheeded.

It's pretty clear that I'm a friend and fan of this site and the many posters and friends that I have here.

I've only expressed my concern about the vicious and horrific posting that is occurring by a small group of posters. If you wish to declare yourself one of those, don't mince words. Step right up and say that you are with the nasties and have no regard for common decency and general respect for your fellow posters and members of this forum.

You've certainly shown your lack of manners  and of forum etiquette at other places.

You are to be pitied.  

Rhu:

look man....is this civil enough....

People have paid a LOT of cash. they havent had their product. it has been promised on more than a few occasions now. folk still havent got their product. folk have been able to obtain the product from a third party, because their pre-order still hasnt been dealt with.

many spokespersons speak and make excuses, yet the originator never speaks.

we are not talking a short amount of time or money here either.

this matter is doubtfully going to clear up until the folk receive their product.

solution? SHIP THE PRODUCT IMMEDIATELY.

is that ok?

'nuff said.

Al