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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:22 pm 
 

enshook wrote:As for this notion that he sold all the BC modules to Noble Knight Games, I can only wonder how you can so assuredly conclude such a thing? NKG also had to wait this out, since they're an equal customer, just like all the others. However, being they always pre-order in mass, they get their orders in the first batch going out, just as others like them also get first orders. It's always been this way. It just wasn't noticed previously, because orders went out more orderly and promptly.



Hmmm ....I don't see the name Aaron Leeder or Noble Knight Games in the list of sponsors for either cotsk or tob.  Can someone check bc?  I think that is a major shaft considering his large pre-order support according to you.

But if what you say is true - that NKG gets their order in the first batch going out then pre-order makes zero sense.  No need to pre-order from PPP as NKG will their get copies first and you can buy through them.

It's always been that way has it?  Thanks for clarifying!

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:05 pm 
 

enshook wrote:My two posts here have been to say, "Hey, the guy's been down hard. Give him a break. He'll be OK, product will go out and is going out. The module looks sharp! Things will get better. Always look on the bright side of life!" ;) And, moreover, I'm posting for his fans to read this and take comfort in having a good explanation from someone close to Rob who cares as much as they do.

Can you answer "yes" to any of these questions?

1. Do you like Rob?

2. Do you want Rob/PPP to succeed?

3. Are you trying to just "help out" here, with no other agenda?

If you can answer "yes" to any of the above questions, then I have a free piece of advice for you: stop posting your excuse-filled, enabling bullshit; you are just getting everyone even MORE fired up.

I'm being dead serious with this: you are NOT doing Rob any favors by reminding every one here that he still refuses to communicate anything himself, he still doesn't understand his litany of excuses/lies/bullshit isn't working this time, he still doesn't understand why it's wrong to ship dozens of copies to a reseller before sending any to the fans who sent him their money in a direct show of support, and he still doesn't see that his reputation is dangling by the thinnest of threads ... and that the only reason there's even a thread in the first place is that we respect guys like Allan Grohe so much.

But, hey, it's a free internet and you post where, when, and what you want; I've said my piece and I won't bring it up again. But, one last time, I'm totally not kidding: if you're trying to help Rob, you've chosen the wrong strategy. This has gone way beyond the actual physical items ...

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A final thought: if you're a friend of RJK's, I have a message for you and his other buddies: stop fucking ENABLING his behavior. Despite being a grown man, he apparently needs to be told, to his face, that his excuses are bullshit, his pattern of behavior is reprehensible, his treatment of the fans who support his vanity project is vile, and that his reputation, such as it is, is in tatters.

Most importantly, tell him he is not a gaming god. He's a minor figure in gaming history who has almost no individual credits to speak of and who has spent countless years riding Gary Gygax's slipstream.

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And I didn't even order any of his bullshit products. I can only imagine how angry I'd be if I was actually missing some money from this disaster ...

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:00 pm 
 

I'm definitely done posting, or even READING this thread. It only serves to get me sizzling mad. I'd have taken a road trip by now if I had bought one of the damn things.
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:18 pm 
 

While Rob has done himself damage over The Bottle City, I do hope he can make it up in the future. I don't knock the guy for a run of ill health.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:53 pm 
 

lawrenson wrote:It is only when people get "seriously p*ssed" that those minor crooks have a tendency to become a bit more responsible.


Or, the guilty parties can now point to this thread, observe that it's become a flamefest by the usual bunch of flame-enthusiasts, & conclude that it will thus lose credibility. Slinging s*** like a madwoman rarely helps one's case.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:18 pm 
 

Speaking of losing credibility ...  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

Apparently you missed the parts where:

1. Grodog himself — the only rational person involved in this entire mess — asked this community for feedback on how this train-wreck could be made better;

2. This thread had lost much of its steam before this enshook genius posted not one, but two, manifestos defending a year's worth of lame excuses, outright lies, lack of direct communication, and production of vaporware from his good buddy RJK. Way to stir the hornets' nest there, buddy. Always a good idea.

Did he — or you, apparently — really expect that he could do that and not provoke more passionate responses?

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:25 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
I can't add much to this.  I would point out to people coming here to defend Rob, please take the time to read this thread from Page Five onwards...a lot of the issues have already been discussed here in depth.  Just saying Rob is a nice guy, or he was sick, or there was a lot of snow, have already been discounted because of one over-riding issue:  the absolute LACK of any type of communication from PPP to the buyers regarding these issues, which had to be dribbled out third-hand instead of confronted full on.  Calls for patience or lengthy explanations are NOT going to be dealt with at this point with anything other than rank skepticism.  It's all old ground that I would rather not cover any longer. The one overriding issue is "When is the product going to ship?"  That's all. Everything else at this point is irrelevant. Well that and the shoddy way Jason and Jim were treated, which I also hope has a resolution.

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I'm really getting tired of people jumping to RJK's defense. If you're defending him you really haven't been paying attention. Mucho, mucho, mucho slack has been cut in the case of illness. Rather than even a weak attempt at reconciliation, he's actually lied to his consumers on what, four occasions know?

If he is unable to meet his responsibilities then he shouldn't have them. The long string of excuses, refusal of help, continued lies (He's still sitting on about half his orders according to Eric Shook, who recently visited), and unwillingness to admit any kind of fault over the matter is indefensible at this point. Its apparent that he has exhibited similar behavior in the past. It's really not even about the money now, more like basic human responsiblity.


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As someone said, "just ship the product," which is being done. I went by tonight and he's about half way through.



No he's already done as he put here in no uncertain terms here on February 22:

http://p085.ezboard.com/fpiedpiperpubli ... eRange?top icID=16.topic&start=41&stop=48

Question:
Galbrechin wrote:
So all orders are now in the mail?  


Answer:
The Pied PiperRJK wrote:
As of today, all past orders are, but not those reeceived in the last week.  


Or are you saying that he lied when he wrote that... AGAIN?

You wonder why people are pissed off? They are sick of being lied to, over and over and over again. Rob has told us at least 4 different times now that these items where either in the processed of being shipped or had already shipped and using your very own statement as fact, only roughly 50% of his orders still haven't been shipped yet. WHY????




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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:25 pm 
 

Hey, look! I can revise history here too


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:02 pm 
 

All well and good, but there is one point that needs justification more than any other in my opinion. (And I'm probably not alone).

That point is that Rob Kuntz out and out lied on more than one occasion - specifically that all of the product had been shipped. Why was that?

I don't doubt there have been issues beyond Rob's control, and I don't believe that I have seriously said there were (forgive me if I'm wrong, and the Snow/Luddite thing was a joke :lol: ), however repeatedluy lying was something that was very much in Rob's control, and he made that decision himself - for this he only has himself to blame and must take the consequences. (And apart from that one post that has subsequently been editted so I never read it, I still think that Rob has got off lighter than many others might have if they were in his shoes)


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:07 pm 
 

I've removed my posts from today to prevent my replying to them anymore as they're further inflated.

Here. I'll cross post this reply, as a last note:

   why did Enshook on the Acaeum forums say earlier today (Mar. 5) "As someone said, "just ship the product," which is being done. I went by tonight and he's about half way through. " Honestly, after all the delays on my prepaid order (August '07) I just don't get this. I would like an apology and my product. Where is Rob?

Ah! I see now what the problem was. I didn't mean he was half way through mailing out the total orders. I first meant I saw orders being processed, which is a positive compared to what was being asserted, and second I was indicating that I understood he was about half way through with what he had left, in the sense that half were in manilla envelopes and the other half were in stacks on an assembly line set up for collation.

However, for all I knew, some of those could be Tower of Blood orders, or any of the other modules on the site that have been continually being ordered. I know from his last post (above) he had stated he had orders yet from the week of the 22nd to get out. Those well could be included there.

I'm only giving this as a clarification since it was requested.

Now, following Franks good aadvice, I'm out of here.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:17 pm 
 

Yes, not disputing any of that - but why did Rob lie?


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:29 pm 
 

Eric.

It's Frank.

Listen to me.

Stop posting.

You're making things worse.

  


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:33 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:35 pm 
 

" Making it worse, how can I be making it worse? All I said was that piece of Halibut was good enough for..........................."

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:47 pm 
 

Yah, I'm done.

I'll listen to Frank.

I stand by it though.

The thread was just nasty.


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:53 pm 
 

Oh, man ...

Bro, using your last post as the starting point, count ... one ... two ... three posts above that one. It's got some wonderful advice.

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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:55 pm 
 

Intention makes all the difference between lying and being wrong.


Maybe, but that's just word play really.

Are you saying Rob did not lie?


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Post Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:55 pm 
 

Rob Kuntz was PREPAID well in excess of $12,000 over 14 months ago by a bunch of folks that still haven't received his product yet despite it being completed in his hands over 6 months ago and the fact he has on 4 seperate occasions stated quite clearly that they were in the process of being shipped and most recently on the 22nd of February that he was done shipping.  The statement he made was not ambiguous at all.  As far as folks receiveing thir copies the outside of the folks who have recieved them from Noble Knight and you who went and picked up your own copy, not a single solitary sole has reported to receiving a copy from Rob since his announcement on the 22nd.  Not a One.


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