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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:32 pm 
 

islestrike wrote:There is quite an entertaining read here where RJK takes a nice lambasting from Clark Peterson over similar tardiness ...

Wow, that is one ugly thread!  8O I didn't think it was possible for me to be less impressed with PPP; I was wrong.

Time to hit my knees again to thank God that I never pre-order anything ...

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:42 pm 
 

And that wasn't the last instance either.  Two more companies got screwed by dealing with RJK.

As for the SE, I think mine was #18, so we can maybe see up to what number has been sent out if others post any later #s

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:54 pm 
 

Yeah it get's quite nasty in some places.  I thought the best bit came from one of the onlookers:

"If we had an emoticon of a smiley eating popcorn, I'd use it."

With all the revelations and bitch-slaps it's like being a little kid watching some movie you know you were not meant to see.   8O

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:15 pm 
 

Yikes, that is pretty bad.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:40 pm 
 

Wow! That did get ugly...But I'm glad I have that information now. I won't be dealing with PPP under any circumstances ever again.

On a side note, dcas and grodog, you guys seem to be genuinely good and well liked folks. I think it may be time to stop enabling RJK. It seems his personality very much resembles his last name.

And I still don't have mine...Did he sell it twice?


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:46 pm 
 

For what it's worth, the copy I received from NK today was 468/500.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:52 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:59 pm 
 

islestrike wrote:"If we had an emoticon of a smiley eating popcorn, I'd use it."!

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(One of about 10,000 choices out there on the interwebs, I'm sure ...)

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:04 pm 
 

My SE was number 5 and I got that well over a month ago now.  I am still waiting on my $150 LE. :roll:   Oh yeah and people who worked the project are still waiting to be paid despite the fact that the project was fully complete with the exception of actually shipping the f**king items out back in August.  Yeah, thats right 6 months ago now...


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:56 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:My SE was number 5 and I got that well over a month ago now.  I am still waiting on my $150 LE. :roll:   Oh yeah and people who worked the project are still waiting to be paid despite the fact that the project was fully complete with the exception of actually shipping the f**king items out back in August.  Yeah, thats right 6 months ago now...


Even knowing about the Necromancer and Kenzer and Troll Lords fiascos, I was eager to see the PPP products, preordered them, and Rob kept it on keel for what was probably a record amount of time....sad the train finally went off the tracks.  I only hope everyone who paid for a Bottle City gets one and we can move on.

To reiterate, this is the death knell of PPP and it's really a pity.

If Rob ever wants to publish anything again for profit, he's going to have to work out a deal with a third party (like Noble Knight) to exclusively sell his items....the thought that anyone on the Acaeum (his core audience) or Dragonsfoot would send Rob a "interest free loan" again is far fetched to say the least.  

It's really too bad that many of the classic scenarios of days gone by will never see the light of day because of this....

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:46 pm 
 

Go-Captain Suzdal wrote:Just received mine, in record time (ordered Friday a.m., rec'd at app. 2:30 p.m. Monday) from NK (minor corner bump upon arrival, but no biggie :). Seems interesting, if a bit slight; from what I can gather by cursory perusal it only covers one level of the city. The maps are cool, and I leafed through the booklet briefly, but I think I'll wait for the free .pdf download to read it through so I don't add more wear/tear.


Just to clarify, the free .pdf download is a transcription of the original ms., not a complete .pdf of the published module version.  

Go-Captain Suzdal wrote:Of course, the link to the password-protected download doesn't work properly, so I am now in line with everyone else waiting for PPP to get its act together...:(.


Hmmm.  Some folks have reported problems accessing the file via Firefox and needing to update an Acrobat plugin first.  I'm also having a looping problem trying to load the file from IE via the published URL of http://www.pied-piper-publishing.com/in ... nscription
A direct link to the file is at
http://www.pied-piper-publishing.com/up ... e-city.pdf

Please post with your web browser and version and what problem you're seeing if you can't access the file, from one or the other URL.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:53 pm 
 

FWIW, the books weren't picked up from the printer until early October 2007, sometime around the 10th.  

Obviously Rob won't be leveraging pre-orders for future PPP products.  The business model was never intended to be ongoing, only to get PPP sufficient capital to get off the ground.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:09 pm 
 

If people involved with the production still haven't been paid, it doesn't seem like business capitol is staying within the business - which is never a good business model.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:12 pm 
 

According to Rob, he had these actually in on September 24th:

http://p085.ezboard.com/The-Herald/fpie ... ishingfrm3

Allan, I feel bad for you I really do, because I know that you are really in the middle of this, but truthfully this whole endeavour has reach epic proportions in how bad it is now.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:55 pm 
 

From reading the Necromancer Games thread, it seemed Allan was in the middle of it there too.  You are a glutton for punishment.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:03 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:
Allan, I feel bad for you I really do, because I know that you are really in the middle of this, but truthfully this whole endeavour has reach epic proportions in how bad it is now.


Got to agree with Brian here I'm afraid. Unfortunately all the chit chat on this and other forums has only managed to soil reputations, most particularly that of PPP. Only a very few people have 'insider' knowledge of whats gone on, but from an 'outsiders' point of view its an absolute train wreck.

If pushed on the point I would say that the general idea of effectively pre-selling a product based upon reputution was a sound one, unfortunately the follow through was absolutely disastrous.

Good name, reputation and kudos count for a lot, but there is a limit, and that limit seems to have been passed a long time ago by many here (I don't have an investment tbh - I'm far to short-sighted to pre-order stuff!!) - If I were being really honest I would  say that it is only Grodog's presence as a long term, very well respected member of these boards that have kept these criticism's from rearing their ugly heads on these boards much earlier.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:06 pm 
 

(I would also say that I genuinely believe that Allan's integrity and decency are not in any doubt whatsover- being involved in a project spiralling out of control like this  one has must be very stressful indeed)


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:47 pm 
 

gyg wrote:(I would also say that I genuinely believe that Allan's integrity and decency are not in any doubt whatsover- being involved in a project spiralling out of control like this  one has must be very stressful indeed)


Allan is motivated to see that some of this historical gaming stuff finally reaches the masses.  I really sucks he's gotten caught in the middle of this, I'm suspecting if it weren't for his selfless efforts those of us holding a copy of Bottle City wouldn't have been doing that at all, ever.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:02 am 
 

gyg wrote:Allan's integrity and decency are not in any doubt whatsover


Yep.  I think we all agree that Allan is in it for his dedication to the old school material and he does what he can when he can.  BTW, is editing your main career Allan or just a side job?

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:11 am 
 

Side job on a volunteer basis, Mark.  My real job that pays the bills is with Juniper Networks (and my job title is in flux, changing from Senior Knowledge Engineer to something like Senior User Experience Architect for Support, though that's too wordy ;) ).  Linked-in details, if you're more curious:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/allangrohe


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