grodog wrote:Also understandable. I would like to hope that Rob can re-earn your trust, Mike, at some point in the future. What would that take?
Deadlord39 wrote:How much were the presale copies?
beyerun wrote:The collector limited editions were $150 a piece.
Center_Stage_Hobbies wrote:Looking at this situation as purely an outsider, Mr. Kuntz' unwillingness to share any information about his personal status with his fans or his customer base is a huge smack in the face.This strikes me as a situation where someone either a) doesn't have the money to ship the item or b) someone who has a vested interest in stringing things out as long as they can.I am sorry, there is NO ACCEPTABLE REASON why someone who is sick would not accept assistance in fulfilling those obligations, short of being financially unable to see them through. Period. Regardless of anyone's defense of Rob - including the defense from longtime Acaeum members - STOP! I am so glad I ordered nothing from PPP (I actually considered ordering Cairn and Blood)...and after seeing how business is handled, there is no way I would order ANYTHING.Sure mistakes happen...and had this been handled differently, I might not be so hard nosed. But given the fact that someone feels he owes no accounting other than "I am sick, please be patient".....it's crap, folks.Sincere best wishes to Rob for a speedy recovery. And once he's better, perhaps he can work on his level of honesty, too. That would be an even bigger plus, at least for those who support his products.
Center_Stage_Hobbies wrote:I am sorry, there is NO ACCEPTABLE REASON why someone who is sick would not accept assistance in fulfilling those obligations, short of being financially unable to see them through. Period.
Deogolf wrote:Personally, I don't think Rob needs to say a damn thing about his health problems!! That's none of our business. But, I agree that he should have given everyone a heads up on the overall situation.
Personally, I don't think Rob needs to say a damn thing about his health problems!! That's none of our business
I still think that his intention was not to piss everyone off - even though it has. It's obvious that things haven't been good for him this year and I hope him the best in 2008.
FormCritic wrote:Since all of you have cut Rob one year of slack already, why not hold comment for one more month?Mark
bombadil wrote:From the very beginning, which included some correspondence with Rob and Allan about how great it would be to see Bottle City produced as a limited edition collectible, I looked at this thing as an investment. Some investments pay off, and some don't. Even though I expected the former, I was prepared for the latter, mainly because of caution and skepticism expressed by Rob himself through emails before this project even got started. My profession is primarily grant-driven. The process of securing grants is one of pitching an idea, and outlining the expected outcomes. If you have good ideas, a solid background of delivering, and ask for a reasonable amount of money, you might get funded. In the event that you do, it's understood that grants are grants, and not contracts. Sometimes they pay off, and sometimes they don't. Grantors are acknowledged when a project succeeds, but they never get their money back if it doesn't. That's understood from the outset. I don't expect anyone to share my point of view, but it doesn't really matter to me whether I get the copies I ordered. The way I look at it is that I encouraged, argued for, and eventually supported a project I was hoping would succeed. It apparently did succeed, to the extent that Bottle City was produced as a limited edition collectible. Actually receiving the module would be great (and will be great), but jeez, walk a mile in another guy's shoes...Who knows what another person's situation ever really is, especially someone as private as Rob apparently is? I'm not trying to urge anyone to cut him slack, but I'm willing to. There are at least three people on this website for whom I've bought and delivered goods with the promise of eventual repayment in cash or goods who are still outstanding in their repayment (others I've just forgotten about by now). I cut them slack, too.