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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:49 pm 
 

Perhaps when you reach a certain age (this age depends on the person), there is no such thing as a full recovery from something this bad.

For Rob to get his strength back, he needs to take at least 6 months to where he is getting adequate sleep, nutrition, and not pushing himself to where he could relapse. Then he'll need to always stay aware of health in a way not done before.

I hope he takes this sort of advice from someone.

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:54 pm 
 

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As I understand it, pneumonia is a near death experience.
Rob probably cannot afford the doctor care he needs.  


My father died of pneumonia. He was in a hospital for the last three months of his life hooked up to machines.  I am very familiar with the sickness.

If you have pneumonia, and you are not in the hospital, you are probably going to die.  There is very little outpatient care to be done in this case, besides massive doses of antibiotics.  If Rob is not in a hospital at this point, he is probably going to pass away. It's a sad fact, but true. My concerns at this point are if he is really this sick, and if he is, why he isn't under constant medical care.  I don't want to get into a discussion on the specifics of what Rob might or might not have. Suffice to say if it's STILL pneumonia, I cannot see any hope of recovery, because it damages your lungs to the extent you will never be able breathe without aid, particulary if you are fighting it this long.  I actually hope that's not the case and Rob is just having financial difficulties, because the alternative is that he won't be with us much longer.....

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:16 pm 
 

I've had pneumonia three times, once when I was much younger and twice since I got hit with sarcoidosis. The last time I had it, I almost died. In fact, the night before I went to my doc, I was sitting on the couch and dozing on and off, and my doc told me the next day that if I had fallen asleep I'd have been worm food. It took me a few weeks to get back enough energy to really do much. Between the sarcoid and the pneumonia, I won't be running any marathons. Once your lungs get scarred, they stay that way.
If Rob is on the older side, and he hasn't kicked the pneumonia yet, he had best start getting his affairs in order.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:33 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Between the sarcoid and the pneumonia, I won't be running any marathons. Once your lungs get scarred, they stay that way.
If Rob is on the older side, and he hasn't kicked the pneumonia yet, he had best start getting his affairs in order.


What Deadlord said....

If Rob is still fighting pneumonia, it isnt a fight at this point.....it's over.  He'll never be able to function again, at his age, without medical assistance.

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:52 pm 
 

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What Deadlord said....

If Rob is still fighting pneumonia, it isnt a fight at this point.....it's over.  He'll never be able to function again, at his age, without medical assistance.

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:09 pm 
 

Being one of those who was persuaded by Pied Piper and some posters/members on this forum to invest in the Limited Edition of the Bottle City, I have been following this thread with a lot of interest, albeit silently.

Until now.

If Rob has a devastating illness as seems to be indicated above, then he should truly allow someone to help him get medical help. And if he refuses that, then at least allow someone to help him to get his affairs in order. Rob's persistence in not doing so; is simply unfathomable to me.

An earlier post indicated that at least one person known here has seen Rob and spoken with him in person, even if only for a very brief time. Perhaps nothing other than his illness was mentioned then.

But the question comes to my mind;
Why would ANYONE in his right mind refuse to accept help (medically)?

As stated above, pneumonia is NOT a small issue for young healthy folks, and is a far more serious condition for the elderly. Possibly deadly.

I am just about convinced now that my previous investment in Pied Piper was for naught; but if the BOOKS are made, and delivered into Rob's hands, as seems to be the position taken above, then why can't they be shipped by any of those who volunteered to help Rob out?

Is Rob the ONLY employee of Pied Piper?

IMO: This is most certainly a blight on the hobby.
I feel like one of the rats in the children's fable must have felt near the end; being led to a watery doom by the songs of the piper.

If delivery is being held up for mostly monetary reasons, then as much money as I have already dropped into the calamity named Bottle City, I would be willing (After obtaining some sort of assurances) to contribute another small amount to get my copies of the LIMITED Edition delivered to me.

I honesty wish only the best for Rob in his sickness. And I truly hope he gets well. But has he been sick for 6 months now? And if so, why are we just now finding out about it? And why would we not be informed by Pied Piper themselves, instead of through a collector web site?

That's how the site got my payment............ Via the web.
I have heard that the WEB can in fact work in BOTH directions.
Is Rob the ONLY employee of Pied Piper?
If so, then who was it that just shut the site down?


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:23 pm 
 

DCS is the webmaster. If it was shut down on purpose, my money says it was him (though I'm sure at Rob's request). Logistically, Rob is the only employee of Pied Piper. Until recently, I was doing art & layout. DCS is the webmaster, and grodog is the editor and sanity-preserver. But Rob's the only one on-site in Milwaukee (to my knowledge). He does all of the fulfillment and holds the purse strings.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 4:51 pm 
 

Jaybird216 wrote:DCS is the webmaster. If it was shut down on purpose, my money says it was him (though I'm sure at Rob's request). Logistically, Rob is the only employee of Pied Piper. Until recently, I was doing art & layout. DCS is the webmaster, and grodog is the editor and sanity-preserver. But Rob's the only one on-site in Milwaukee (to my knowledge). He does all of the fulfillment and holds the purse strings.


Thank you for the information.
I do appreciate your posting the info.
Still hoping for Rob to recover as fully as possible from his illness.

BTW: What (Or who) is a DCS?
Grodog is a very active member here (And on several other forums too) and I have visited his Web Site, so I think I kinda know who he is.
Obviously you are also a member here, though I do not recall reading any other posts made using your moniker.
I don't think that I have ever met or know you, though I suspect that jaybird216 is not your actual name.

Please forgive my ignorance, initials and on-line monikers mean little to those of us not in the loop.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:01 pm 
 

DCS is Dave Smith. He runs (ran?) the PPP website, more as a favor to Rob than anything else. I'm Jason Braun, I'm a freelancer who did art & layout for Cairn of the Skeleton King, Tower of Blood and Bottle City. After completing Bottle City in August, I resigned my position over monetary/communication issues (surprise surprise). Grodog is Allan. He's the editor and an all-around nice guy.  I like to think of him as the Mouth of Sauron, only not evil. But Rob's the man with the plan. If he's out of commission (for whatever reason), nothing gets done. Like I said, he's the only one in Milwaukee, where all of the printing/collating/mailing takes place. He handles all of the orders and writes (and receives) all of the checks. The rest of us worked remotely from various parts of the USA.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:40 pm 
 

Jaybird216 wrote:DCS is Dave Smith. He runs (ran?) the PPP website, more as a favor to Rob than anything else. I'm Jason Braun, I'm a freelancer who did art & layout for Cairn of the Skeleton King, Tower of Blood and Bottle City. After completing Bottle City in August, I resigned my position over monetary/communication issues (surprise surprise). Grodog is Allan. He's the editor and an all-around nice guy.  I like to think of him as the Mouth of Sauron, only not evil. But Rob's the man with the plan. If he's out of commission (for whatever reason), nothing gets done. Like I said, he's the only one in Milwaukee, where all of the printing/collating/mailing takes place. He handles all of the orders and writes (and receives) all of the checks. The rest of us worked remotely from various parts of the USA.


Hi guys! I'm John (starting to sound like an AA meeting).

I have helped Rob over the last couple of years with spreading the word about PPP products, eBay sales, etc. for the first three modules (Skeleton King, Tower, and The Living Room).

I do live in Milwaukee and did talk to/see Rob a few weeks back. At that time I did offer my services to help out. He wanted to wait a bit due to things he didn't elaborate on (can't offer any ideas what). He didn't look too hot at that time. I can only speculate on what's going on and won't add anything here. I only hope the best for him and will wait to see what happens.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:13 pm 
 

The message board is still up, but nothing new has been posted.
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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:32 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:37 pm 
 

Rob had what he described to me as allergy problems at both LGGC and at GenCon; I was more worried about him at/after GenCon, because the allergies were wiping him out:  I figured it was more, and that he wasn't taking care of himself as well as he ideally could/should be, but didn't certainly think it was pneumonia.

I'm rather horrified to hear about what pneumonia can do to someone when it's untreated for awhile, which it sounds like it was (by my hunches, likely most of the summer).  

To confirm/reiterate some of Jason's info:  yes, Rob runs PPP and is its sole employee/proprietor/owner.  The books were printed locally because Rob got good deals on the printing, and doing so would allow him to pickup books locally (further saving on shipping charges).  

As for Rob's not having medical treatment:  medical treatment in general isn't cheap when you have no medical insurance.  PPP is not and has never been a big money-maker for Rob (even when you toss in the auctions).  

Anyway, that's what I know and all I'm likely to find out until/if Rob tells me (or someone else) more.  I'll call him again tomorrow to see if he has any further updates.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:51 pm 
 

To once again emphasize how important it is to treat a sickness such as that,

I lost a friend last year to something similar.

She had been a very healthy young woman in her twenties who would not let her boyfriend take her to the hospital figuring it was just a bad cold.

When breathing became too difficult she finally went to the hospital and within hours her boyfriend was told by the doctors that she was not going to make it and there was nothing they could do.

I know there is no free health care in the US and supplemental coverage (even in Canada for prescriptions, dental, etc.) can be brutally expensive especially if you are self-employed. However...if you weigh going into debt against dying...I know which one I would choose.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:28 am 
 

I think we can all agree that we wish him our best for a full recovery.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:43 am 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:To once again emphasize how important it is to treat a sickness such as that,

I lost a friend last year to something similar.

She had been a very healthy young woman in her twenties who would not let her boyfriend take her to the hospital figuring it was just a bad cold.

When breathing became too difficult she finally went to the hospital and within hours her boyfriend was told by the doctors that she was not going to make it and there was nothing they could do.

I know there is no free health care in the US and supplemental coverage (even in Canada for prescriptions, dental, etc.) can be brutally expensive especially if you are self-employed. However...if you weigh going into debt against dying...I know which one I would choose.


Thing is, there is free healthcare in the US.

Hospitals provide free care all of the time and there are state and federal healthcare systems...including ones that cover serious illnesses for those who cannot pay.

The idea that the poor in America just die off is a myth.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:05 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:Hospitals provide free care all of the time and there are state and federal healthcare systems...including ones that cover serious illnesses for those who cannot pay.


With the added irony that emergency rooms often take the poor for non-emergencies. Expensive facilities are wasted; using the funds for simple clinics would be more practical & efficient. Lots of people are underinsured to the point that it's easier for them to go to an emergency room when sick, than to find the right doctor who'll accept the plan, wait for an appointment, & make the co-payments. The whole medical industry seems geared to waste as much money as possible, almost resembling a dystopian communist bureaucracy rather than a market industry. Maybe they figure if they keep quality care expensive for everyone, enough of us will cough up the dollars to be profitable for them. Emergency room service for all is the classic dope-pushers' tactic wherein the first hit is free.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:36 am 
 

serleran wrote:Unless you missed this...


That link was posted by Grodog  (Allan) on page 5 of this thread.

Thanks to Allan and Jason for all the information. It really does help those of us who are not in the loop to know more of the situation.

Some of us assumed it was a bit larger company than just Rob. I figured at least a couple of full time employees myself, hence my failure to understand any further delays in shipping, ect.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:47 am 
 

Just to recap....

I'm not necessarily bagging on Rob.  Circumstances beyond his control and all, especially if it's an illness (or pneumonia) that has laid him out a few months.

If Rob is truly this ill, I feel very sorry from him, because from my first hand research and dealing with the effects of pneumonia on a loved one, it is a disease that leaves premanent effects..mostly, as Deadlord pointed out, lung scarring that will forever effect your breathing.  After ONE month of pneumonia, I was told by the hospital where my father was at that he would have a good chance of never being able to breathe on his own again. At Rob's age, and the amount of time it's lasted, I just don't see any full recovery at this stage, from an observers viewpoint.  In this case, why Rob is turning down help is very puzzling, but often those who are older, and sick, don't realize the extent of their illness, or mental faculties may not be up to standard.

However, if Rob is NOT truly this ill, and the issues are financial...well, he simply needs to come clean at this point.  Most of the gaming community would allow him time to scrape up the funds necessary to ship out the items by cheapest possible post, if it meant getting the items.  Rob apparantly has a track record in the industry of not paying people who donate time and work to him..brutal, I know, but true.  I think a lot of people have allowed him to "get away with it" based on his rep, and respect for what he has done for the hobby. Thus, suspiciously the non-shipping of Bottle City could be seen to fit into a pattern of abusing the trust placed with him....I really, really hope this is not the case.

If it turns out Rob is sick with pneumonia, which basically means at this point he's pretty much not going to get fully better, I wish at least a partial recovery and implore him to avail himself of the assistance some people here have offered, it is not weakness to admit you cannot complete a project if you are too physically ill to do so.

If it turns out Rob is NOT deathly ill, and the problems are financial, and he does not contact all his subscribers/buyers and come clean...

As a person who takes very seriously his online "business" of reselling used game items, as some may have noted, I am very sensitive to those such as Cougarrinard or JonB or anyone who decides to give the hobby a bad name by screwing customers, as this reflects on my own business and may lead to reduced sales for me...money out of my pocket so to speak.   I would hate to move Rob to that list.

Those who have contact with him at this point, might point out the seriousness of the delay of shipping Bottle City to his reputation, and perhaps he might be more amenable to accepting help becasue of this.  

Once again, I wish the best to Rob, and hope he is able to recover as best he can from his problems, be they health or otherwise.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:48 am 
 

without getting involved in this discussion really (my own choice), the responsibility to a customer who has paid, whether you are 1 person or 100 people, is still the same.

there are plenty of folk who offer to help, i cant understand why the help isnt taken? at least then you stop anyone spiralling out of control with opinion and negating future sales with them.

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