Kingofpain89 wrote:This guy has a serious man-crush on Warduke:


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That is one hell of a detailed description.  

I now feel like any auction I ever put up just cannot compete with the awesomeness of this auction. It makes me want to bid, just to give the guy justification for going to all that trouble. I'm only joking like 10% too.



Zen

Warduke made his triumphant return, now an 18th level human fighter complete with far greater stats: AC: 34, HP: 318, S 32, I 13, W 15, D 16, Cn 28, Ch 20.

 

So he became a greater god then.............  
Actually greater than that.
Str.... 32??
Con.... 28??
Ch.... 20??
HP's 318??

I must admit that the PC enhacements from the 3.x Edition rules totally escapes me, but how does a human mortal get those stats?

In D&D and AD&D, 318 HP could only happen with a greater god.
Same thing for the other stats I listed.

Aneoth wrote:
 

So he became a greater god then.............  
Actually greater than that.
Str.... 32??
Con.... 28??
Ch.... 20??
HP's 318??

Those are 3rd Edition stats.

Kingofpain89 wrote:
Those are 3rd Edition stats.

Still does not explain the God stats.........

At 18th level with 318 HP's, in First and Second Edition he had to have been rolling 25's on the ten sider at every level advancement to tenth and then his allotted 2 HP's at each level afterwards.

Even if you factor in that he rolled 10's at every level advancement (18 times 10 = 180)
and that he got 6 HP's bonus per level for 20 Con (6 times 18 = 108)
that still only adds up to 288 HP's.......

OOPS I was using his awesome charisma stats, not CON.... which is 28.......  Still..................

No wonder I despise 3rd Edition.
 

killjoy32 wrote:AC 34 wtf is that all about. i really do miss seeing like AC -4 really i do.

3rd edition sounds like a Celsius to Fahrenheit conversions:  AC 32 (3rd) = AC 0 (1st) so AC 34 is about -1?

I'm all for valid criticism of 3e, which is so bad on so many levels ... but the AC concept in that edition is exactly the same as in other editions. They just replaced counting down with counting up; saying one is better than the other seems counter-intuitive to me. And, to be fair, 3e even eliminates the need for a "to-hit" chart.

Frankly, I chalk this particular complaint up to pure nostalgia. Had ODD and 1e been originally written with the "counting up" concept and had WotC later changed it to the "lower is better" method, there would be complaints here about how that was just completely stupid.

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As far as hit points go, that's an area where 3e definitely gets too much like a video game. Looking at Warduke, I'd guess that he has at least two feats that are related to hit points, plus some other optional stuff from the 584 splatbooks, plus at least one magic item that increases his HP. I won't argue this point at all; when I see hundreds and hundreds of HP, I automatically think I'm looking at a faulty design.

My original Neverwinter Nights character retired with something like 510 hit points at 22nd level; I actually got bored playing him. And NWN, remember, is as pure a form of 3e as has ever been written for the computer.

Deadlord39 wrote:The easiest way to figure stats, hit points, etc. in 3E is to multiply the 1E equivalent by a d6 roll.
Idiotic, useless gaming system.............

And re-rolling all 1's and 2's........

Xaxaxe wrote:I'm all for valid criticism of 3e, which is so bad on so many levels ... but the AC concept in that edition is exactly the same as in other editions. They just replaced counting down with counting up; saying one is better than the other seems counter-intuitive to me. And, to be fair, 3e even eliminates the need for a "to-hit" chart.

Frankly, I chalk this particular complaint up to pure nostalgia. Had ODD and 1e been originally written with the "counting up" concept and had WotC later changed it to the "lower is better" method, there would be complaints here about how that was just completely stupid.

+++++

As far as hit points go, that's an area where 3e definitely gets too much like a video game. Looking at Warduke, I'd guess that he has at least two feats that are related to hit points, plus some other optional stuff from the 584 splatbooks, plus at least one magic item that increases his HP. I won't argue this point at all; when I see hundreds and hundreds of HP, I automatically think I'm looking at a faulty design.

My original Neverwinter Nights character retired with something like 510 hit points at 22nd level; I actually got bored playing him. And NWN, remember, is as pure a form of 3e as has ever been written for the computer.

Good points and I've even played 3.x so these things don't seem odd to me.
Have you played NWN2 at all? (to me it seems worse).

ShaneG.

Xaxaxe wrote:
My original Neverwinter Nights character retired with something like 510 hit points at 22nd level; I actually got bored playing him. And NWN, remember, is as pure a form of 3e as has ever been written for the computer.

I think a character of mine in Bards Tale had over 400.