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Poll: Favorite AD&D Rulebook

Deities & Demigods 8%       8%  [ 11 ]
Dungeon Masters Guide 40%       40%  [ 56 ]
Fiend Folio 4%       4%  [ 5 ]
Manual of the Planes 4%       4%  [ 6 ]
Monster Manual 13%       13%  [ 18 ]
Monster Manual II 0%       0%  [ 0 ]
Players Handbook 22%       22%  [ 30 ]
Unearthed Arcana 9%       9%  [ 13 ]
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Post Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:47 pm 
 

brute wrote:I really enjoyed the Fiend Folio. Noone liked the Aboleth? Makes for a nice addtion to the outer reaches of the underworld. I voted for the DMG because it was my first hardback and I spent so much time DM'ing and writing dungeons I had the thing memorized. The MM and PH were next and then FF. I used a ton a creatures from FF for my campaigns. They are all 10's to me.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:56 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:"Huge letdown" was the universal American reaction to the Fiend Folio.


One of my players wanted to return it and get his money back!


FormCritic wrote:I still go back to the Fiend Folio to find ideas for useful twists and monsters that break the routine.


That's a great idea 8)

FormCritic wrote:Oh, and the cover - the githyanki on the Fiend Folio cover looked wierd at the time, but it has become an iconic AD&D image.


I wish I knew enough about art to figure out what's weird about the cover.
But it is definitely wrong.
Iconic, but wrong.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:44 pm 
 

The tension builds for MM II's first vote ...!


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:06 pm 
 

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My favorite AD&D hardback is

FFoulkes: The Armourer and his Craft.

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:19 pm 
 

Keith the Thief wrote:
I wish I knew enough about art to figure out what's weird about the cover.
But it is definitely wrong.
Iconic, but wrong.

In regards to the FF cover, there's a picture of the original art in Dragon #55, without the title and front/back cover copy-I scanned it and it makes a very cool wallpaper for a widescreen computer.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:50 pm 
 

Art is supposed to evoke an emotional response, right?

What I like is the title page sketch with the Forlarren beckoning.
Or the Princess of Mars homage (rip off?) on pg 60.
Either would've been a better cover.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:01 pm 
 

After giving this a little more thought,
it seems like the interior sketches are too "busy".  

For example, look at the Booka pics on pg 16,
or the Bullywug on the same page.
The sketches are cluttered and lack contrast
between the foreground and background.

The line style dividing the the book alphabetically
is also too distracting.

So I'm seeing a pattern emerge here:
There is not enough white space in the book.

And I think that's what's wrong with the cover.
Also now white space.
That, and the fact that it's blue & orange <retch>

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:04 pm 
 

Some great interior art in the FF, much better IMHO, then most of the art in the MM2-I respect Jim Holloway, but never cared much for his style.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:36 pm 
 

flyingmelon wrote:In regards to the FF cover, there's a picture of the original art in Dragon #55, without the title and front/back cover copy-I scanned it and it makes a very cool wallpaper for a widescreen computer.


Does DRAGON #55 include the negative review about Fiend Folio that outraged Gary Gygax?  Something like, "Flat Taste Didn't Go Away?"

Apparently, some of the staff members were under the misconception that they were independent journalists.

The githyanki picture wasn't bad.  It just wasn't what we were expecting.


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Does DRAGON #55 include the negative review about Fiend Folio that outraged Gary Gygax?  Something like, "Flat Taste Didn't Go Away?"

Apparently, some of the staff members were under the misconception that they were independent journalists.

The githyanki picture wasn't bad.  It just wasn't what we were expecting.

Yes, there's actually three articles-"Flat taste didn't go away" was was written by some hack named Ed Greenwood...wonder what happened to him?  :wink:


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:40 am 
 

flyingmelon wrote:Some great interior art in the FF, much better IMHO, then most of the art in the MM2-I respect Jim Holloway, but never cared much for his style.


I have to agree here. I have the same opinion on Holloway. Awesome for the pure volume of work. In general, it is not me style. His comedic pieces are generally ok, but that is it for me.

Back to the FF. I really don't like it. I actually like the MM2 more for content. Though, I have to say it does not hold a candle to the original MM.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:34 pm 
 

My vote went without hesitation to the Players Handbook. The reason is that I as referee can have any number of manuals and maps and tables and notes on my side of the screen (I tend to use OD&D/JG materials), but what I really need in a published book is an attractive and thorough book aimed solely at presenting the game to players. To me, the PHB has never been outdone in that goal—the players never need to go to another book, and they are never given information they don't need. For the spells and equipment lists alone it is worth the price, but having all the races and classes detailed is handy indeed, not to mention all the adventuring advice. The only thing I wish was added is the excellent "Portentous Runes & Glyphs" section from the 1980 The World of Greyhawk folio. I know this is nebulous, but for me, if a character is 1e PHB-legal then it is a "real" D&D character in my eyes. The PHB is the real thing, everything else is an optional expansion or poor imitation in my eyes.


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Post Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:49 pm 
 

I guess that a separate poll could be set up for favorite TSR artist, but I'm pretty sure that DAT would win (in my mind anyway)-so why wasn't he tapped for MM2? He was still doing Wormy at the time...maybe he just wanted to focus on that? We will probably never know.
And on a art-related note, the looseleaf Vol 1, Vol. 2 MC art is horrible-clearly rushed. The roper, in particular, always raises my ire.


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Falconer wrote:My vote went without hesitation to the Players Handbook. The reason is that I as referee can have any number of manuals and maps and tables and notes on my side of the screen (I tend to use OD&D/JG materials), but what I really need in a published book is an attractive and thorough book aimed solely at presenting the game to players. To me, the PHB has never been outdone in that goal—the players never need to go to another book, and they are never given information they don't need. For the spells and equipment lists alone it is worth the price, but having all the races and classes detailed is handy indeed, not to mention all the adventuring advice. The only thing I wish was added is the excellent "Portentous Runes & Glyphs" section from the 1980 The World of Greyhawk folio. I know this is nebulous, but for me, if a character is 1e PHB-legal then it is a "real" D&D character in my eyes. The PHB is the real thing, everything else is an optional expansion or poor imitation in my eyes.


Agreed.
I wrote the poll with using "favorite" on purpose.
There's often a distinction between favorite and best.
The PHB is the best, IMHO.
But I voted MM, because (as kids say these days) monsters are beast.

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:43 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:No vote.

My favorite AD&D hardback is

FFoulkes: The Armourer and his Craft.

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while i like this book too, i'd have to vote for the dmg.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:44 pm 
 

akp-love the dr strangelove reference...

  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:24 pm 
 

stratochamp wrote:akp-love the dr strangelove reference...


Can't beat Strangelove.

Btw, we're over 100 votes in the poll.
That's a damn good sample, you ask me.

Well?  Go on.  Ask me :-)


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:31 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:
Aboleth is Monster Manual II


Ooops! Ok, I admit I have MM2. If I hadn't left those books in my old office / new daughter's closet, I'd go for a quick refresher. Long overdue for that apparently. Need to move them tomorrow!

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