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Post Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:23 am 
 

ScketreWhisp wrote:In speaking with Peter, he mentioned that long ago (almost 30 years) when he first moved.. he threw away between 500-600 copies of PotVQ !!!

And, in recent years when he moved again, he still had the ORIGINAL printing "plates" (I don't remember what they are called for offset printing)  for the module... and threw them out during that move !!!

Valuable stuff just being tossed out....


Well, on one hand, if he HADNT thrown them out, then the remaining copies would be worth far less now.....
 But, on the other hand, if I could use a time machine to wisk myself to that dumpster the day it happened....and only sold a couple a year...Cha-Ching!!!!
   Hey, back in those days, who know this stuff was going to be worth anything? I sure didn't, otherwise I wouldn't have extrensively wrote in and defaced my copy of GDQ1-7 while running it in the late 80s....

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:24 am 
 

hoody frickin hoo!!

I reckon though that having half a thousand more copies available would devalue it more than a pdf!!

This is exactly the sort of history/background that I'd like to see in an updated reprint/compilation.


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Post Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:24 am 
 

ScketreWhisp wrote:In speaking with Peter, he mentioned that long ago (almost 30 years) when he first moved.. he threw away between 500-600 copies of PotVQ !!!

And, in recent years when he moved again, he still had the ORIGINAL printing "plates" (I don't remember what they are called for offset printing)  for the module... and threw them out during that move !!!

Valuable stuff just being tossed out....


Well, on one hand, if he HADNT thrown them out, then the remaining copies would be worth far less now.....
 But, on the other hand, if I could use a time machine to wisk myself to that dumpster the day it happened....and only sold a couple a year...Cha-Ching!!!!
   Hey, back in those days, who know this stuff was going to be worth anything? I sure didn't, otherwise I wouldn't have extrensively wrote in and defaced my copy of GDQ1-7 while running it in the late 80s....

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:15 pm 
 

I had never heard of Wee Warriors until I read about them on Mattias Bock's Afterglow webpage.

I never saw a Wee Warriors product on the shelf and would not remember them now if I weren't a part of this forum.

I have often thought it would be cool to have mutant powers similar to Patrick Stewart's character in the X-Men movies. (Can't recall the character's name, but I bet lots of comic readers are saying it right now.)

Anyway, instead of being able to detect mutants I want the power to know when and where any gamer is preparing to toss all of his old stuff into either a dumpster, donation box or yard sale stack...possibly also the power to psychically warn any gamer whose mother, sibling or other well-meaning person is tossing away his old swag.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:18 am 
 

Ok, got some more info from Peter, he sent me some of his history more than anything, but it's a start... he seems to be all over the place :)

I'll give more details later, but let me summarize:

Peter is in the digital design business now days

He hasn't kept in touch with Judy since they divorced in the mid 80's

Last he heard of Brad, he was in software development...

He started printing Wee Warriors stuff right haver he got out of the service, and about 18 months later, he got into Real Estate. At the same time he go t interested in computers and sold some programs and ran a play my mail service. These new interests are why he closed up shop. He stayed with Real Estate until '81, then got into the "ecomputer" stuff in the Valley for about 10 years until he got burned out... then he got into production of resin items for Geohex and Armor cast.. then back into computers with his current wife. They setup some computer training schools which they ran until about 3 years ago when they moved....

His last bit of of the email is:

"Today the computer art I do holds my interest. If you ever want to see some I can email you some samples.  I work with total realistic art so my people have some real personality."

I sent him off some additional questions about Wee Warriors, the modules and some other stuff... if you can think of any questions you think we need to know, please let me know.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:11 am 
 

I would be interested in some of the printing info, such as number of copies of each printing printed, cost to have them printed?  How well did they sell?  What was their arrangement with TSR to sell their products?  How did it come about?  What happened to end their arrangement?

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:02 pm 
 

There was a thread about him some time ago when he sold his items. I believe he claimed at one point he was selling out of the trunk of his car.


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Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:28 pm 
 

Try:

viewtopic.php?p=34926

and/or

viewtopic.php?p=37703

Relevant posts are part way down each page & continuing on in the thread.

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:06 pm 
 

Well, I called Brad this afternoon...

I spoke to him for a very short length of time... I don't get the nice friendly feel like speaking with Pete.

Don't get me wrong, he was polite, but was short in his answers and to the point.

I basically asked if he would be willing to create any type artwork for a reprint.

Basically he said "I don't do anything that looks like that any more", and he said he was not interested.

So, Brad won't be participating, at least not at the moment...

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:01 pm 
 

Did Brad give his consent to having the items reprinted?

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Post Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:22 pm 
 

From speaking with Peter, he gives the impression the complete module is under his control and thus could be reprinted in he chose to do so. Thus is comment to me that if I wanted to reprint in PDF or otherwise, he didn't care...

Though I am glad Peter is so willing, I am not about to do that without checking further.

I have asked Brad via email about his permission to reprint the artwork in the Wee Warrior works. He has yet to respond.

We may have a way to use some of his work since he does have Celtic Knot artwork that he allows to be used in personal or commercial projects, so in the end we could include some "edge work" in or on the module that was done by Brad... just not sure he'd want credit if he doesn't want to be involved....

I am still working an email dialogue with him to see

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Post Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:14 am 
 

ScketreWhisp wrote:From speaking with Peter, he gives the impression the complete module is under his control and thus could be reprinted in he chose to do so. Thus is comment to me that if I wanted to reprint in PDF or otherwise, he didn't care...

Whatever happens, please make them difficult to counterfeit.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:17 pm 
 

Ok, here is a bit more info about Wee Warriors from Judy:

*******

I have no problem with re-printing Palace of the Vampire Queen.
However, what other modules do you mean? That was the only formal
module. Others were used at the Wee Warriors shop informally.

I am not sure what "history" you want. It was very informal. Palace
of the Vampire Queen was assembled one at a time by me in our living
room. There were two printings, but the second printing was not
well-received due to a change in the cover art.

As to the early days of gaming, I can't be much help. I was rarely
allowed to play because Pete said I didn't play by the unspoken rules
of warfare, whatever that means.

Good luck with your project.

judy

*******

OK, Dwarven Glory I sort of remember. Misty Isles I don't. Those two
would have been put together after the shop was opened, so I would
have had minimal contact with them. I did do the cover art for one of
them (terrible drawing) because Brad had left. I don't know where or
to whom they were sold. I am pretty sure they were not sold in local
hobby shops - Wee Warriors was the only place you could get gaming
supplies in the San Luis Obispo area when it opened.

Palace of the Vampire Queen was first packaged in the black folder
inside a ziplock bag. The sheets were not bound. The second printing
had a green cover sheet and was packaged loose in a ziplock bag. I
ran across one of the black covers recently. There were evidently
extras and my mother had been using them for filing. We didn't keep
samples of the module.

Pete met Brad in Los Angeles while Pete was in the army and he later
moved with us to Morro Bay for free rent in exchange for art work
after the shop opened. That arrangement lasted 6 months to 8 months
or so until he moved on. I have no idea where he went from there. As
far as I know no one kept in touch. Palace of the Vampire Queen was
released before the shop opened.

Some printing was done on an old printer in the shop basement. That
was not really successful because Pete kept jamming the printer. He
does not have an affinity with mechanical objects.

The ideas and backgrounds for the modules was Pete's. I don't think
Brad had much input into that part of it, but I could be wrong. Pete
had always come up with scenarios for games - this was just writing them down.

judy

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So for you print junkies we have some more info :)

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Post Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:23 pm 
 

- So for you print junkies we have some more info :)[/quote]
better memory than pete confused about order but not green or ziploc at least for some :) :)
- I ran across one of the black covers recently. There were evidently
extras and my mother had been using them for filing.
for sale?? :twisted: :twisted:

  


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:17 am 
 

There is a lot of discussion here and it is hard to jump in at this late point. However a couple of comments.

1. There are efforts underway to get all the literature of the world scanned. One day, it may be possible to access any published book and download a pdf copy. I do not think this will affect the value of the original.

2. I think old RPGs will need to look to antiquarian books dealing in general. There are ways and means to authenticate originals. There is an entire field of document forensics that overlaps with this field. It is possible to type papers, inks and printing methods. It would be possible to analyse originals as a baseline that people could check against for authenticity. A committed collector would need to intitiate this. I would love to do it if I had the time and money, as it is important for RPG collecting as a hobby.

I don't see a problem with people having obvious pdf copies as this would only enhance interest in the material and the hobby.

  
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