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Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:47 am 
 

Just what he said.
Report for non-performance and leave both negative feedback and a stack of 1's. The forget about it.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:27 pm 
 

Just a questions to our Sellers here as I am curious. I notice on posted auctions, there is a lot of cases of people offering to buy lots before the auction is complete. It is logical to assume that people would offer to buy lots they missed out on post auction.

That sux for the winning bidder as they may win for $60, but may have bid $80. If someone comes along and says I'll offer you $65 .......

To the Sellers here, do you get a lot of buyers trying to do this? i.e. Making offers pre and post sale?

  

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Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:28 pm 
 

HermitFromPluto wrote:Just a questions to our Sellers here as I am curious. I notice on posted auctions, there is a lot of cases of people offering to buy lots before the auction is complete. It is logical to assume that people would offer to buy lots they missed out on post auction.

That sux for the winning bidder as they may win for $60, but may have bid $80. If someone comes along and says I'll offer you $65 .......

To the Sellers here, do you get a lot of buyers trying to do this? i.e. Making offers pre and post sale?


Not me, but I don't use the auction format anymore just BIN.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:39 pm 
 

HermitFromPluto wrote:Just a questions to our Sellers here as I am curious. I notice on posted auctions, there is a lot of cases of people offering to buy lots before the auction is complete. It is logical to assume that people would offer to buy lots they missed out on post auction.

That sux for the winning bidder as they may win for $60, but may have bid $80. If someone comes along and says I'll offer you $65 .......

To the Sellers here, do you get a lot of buyers trying to do this? i.e. Making offers pre and post sale?


I've had a number of offers to end a listing early (after someone has already bid) but have yet to be approached after the end of a sale.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:49 pm 
 

SoulCatcher78 wrote:
I've had a number of offers to end a listing early (after someone has already bid) but have yet to be approached after the end of a sale.


Ditto.  However, I have had someone ask if I had more of the kind of item I was selling and offered to buy it if I did.


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:20 am 
 

ScketreWhisp® wrote:

Actually, these look like they are the 1979 version:

1979:  Character Record Sheets.  Tom Wham artwork on cover.  Wizard logo.  Copyright still reads "1977", but "TM Reg App For" has been removed.  Versions with blue, yellow, grey, or green covers and pink, orange, grey, or green sheets have been reported (other than colors, they appear identical).  One copy has been spotted that is a side-tearing pad, but the vast majority appear to be top-tearing.ml

The pictures look identical, not sure why the seller says 45 sheets though


Seller ended the listing early.
And after three E-Mails over the past several days the seller finally deleted my bids.
Yes, I missed the Logo.... :oops:
And thanks again to ScketreWhisp for pointing that out in the Interesting Item Thread.


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Bidder a***e  Cancelled: US $69.50
Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-06-09 15:06:03 PDT
Cancelled: Aug-10-09 07:49:36 PDT

aneoth (624)  Cancelled: US $82.00
Explanation: Abusive emails, told me item was fraud, then threatened me. Bid: Aug-07-09 05:25:36 PDT
Cancelled: Aug-10-09 07:21:44 PDT



Here are my actual E-Mails.
NONE Of which were answered....


Three days ago (Aug 7)

Dear torchcaller321,

After doing some research I have discovered that this item is NOT a 1977 set of PC sheets. It is instead a copy of the far more common 1979 PC sheets. The Wizard Logo gave it away. Even though the copyright page reads 1977 for the print year; that was a non corrected error for this set of PC Sheets. Please reject/delete all of my bids on this item. Thanks.- aneoth


Don't see any threats or abuse here.

Two days ago (Aug 8) at 9 AM

Dear torchcaller321,
I asked you once before and shall ask one more time. Please delete my bids for this listing. This set is Not a Rare 1977 set, it is instead a quite common 1979 set. This will be my last attempt at this. A.
- aneoth


Don't see any threats or abuse here either.


Today: at 8 AM
Dear torchcaller321,
This is the third and last attempt I will make to contact you about this situation.
Please delete all of my bids for this listing. Your description for the item is incorrect as it the listings title. The item pictured is NOT a 1977 printing of the PC Sheet Pad. It is a 1979 Printing which is far more common. I will report this situation as Fraud to E-Bay if you do not withdraw all of my bids.
- aneoth




It was not a threat, it was a promise....  :roll:

And further, my statements were all true.

Seller was continuing to list the item fraudulently.



Sellers explanation of deleting my bids was basically all lies.

I asked nicely TWICE, and after Neither of those requests were granted, or even answered, I then decided nice was not going to get my bids removed.



And last, if this seller is a member here...

Then shame..... with only a moments research (As Doug did), and especially after the facts were pointed out to you,  you could have saved all the embarrassment here.


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:20 pm 
 

I am surprised you would comment about whacking me on the head. Maybe you have been screwed over before on ebay -- but not this time. We are having to leave the town where we live because of the economy and before I left I had made piles of books to keep and to sell -- they had gotten combined by someone in my absense.  I am quite surprised you would make such a general accusation about me and in a public forum.  If you had other questions for me you could have asked me. If you look at my other items I have sold you could have seen that I did sell other d & d items with no problems.  Again, I do apologize about this --
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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:34 pm 
 

jimgmontana wrote:I am surprised you would comment about whacking me on the head. Maybe you have been screwed over before on ebay -- but not this time. We are having to leave the town where we live because of the economy and before I left I had made piles of books to keep and to sell -- they had gotten combined by someone in my absense.  I am quite surprised you would make such a general accusation about me and in a public forum.  If you had other questions for me you could have asked me. If you look at my other items I have sold you could have seen that I did sell other d & d items with no problems.  Again, I do apologize about this --
Jim


If you really feel this way then why in your eBay notes do you make the remarks you did?

It doesn't add up.


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:49 pm 
 

@milford.... i am not sure what remarks you are reffering to.  I told smrubin that they were sold at my garage sale in my absense and if I could find who bought them I would get them for him. We had the garage sale for 2 days so a sign was made expressing the return of those items on the second day when I returned. A serious mistake was made in the garage sale but as far as me commiting fraud - that is not the case. I had sold other D & D items on ebay without incedent. I have seriously tried to do what I can to recover the items. I am really bummed about not being able to deliver what I had advertised because of no fault of my own.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:59 pm 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:
It was not a threat, it was a promise....  :roll:
And further, my statements were all true.

There ain't no truth in "that was a non corrected error for this set of PC Sheets" since that's a simple copyright date and if you really want to go on a splurge feel free to report all those other sellers with their 1974 white box sets who are far more insistent that they /are/ 1974 vs. the seller of those character sheets.

To be honest you're coming across as seriously loud and whiny with threats to report the seller as a fraud and going "rare" vs. "far more common" (there's no great difference either in rarity or price between the two, either from sales or actual rarity of complete pads and I was told the same myself here when I also mistakenly picked up the wrong one :))
Even if you had ended up winning, sucking up a $10-20 error from a mistake you yourself made in IDing and bidding on the pad would've been a far more honorable approach given that you're more than happy to effectively say "tough" when a seller slits their own throat and gives you a BIN on the cheap through their lack of knowledge, for example.

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:01 pm 
 

jimgmontana wrote:@milford.... i am not sure what remarks you are reffering to.  I told smrubin that they were sold at my garage sale in my absense and if I could find who bought them I would get them for him. We had the garage sale for 2 days so a sign was made expressing the return of those items on the second day when I returned. A serious mistake was made in the garage sale but as far as me commiting fraud - that is not the case. I had sold other D & D items on ebay without incedent. I have seriously tried to do what I can to recover the items. I am really bummed about not being able to deliver what I had advertised because of no fault of my own.


Excuse me if I have confused things... But what are you talking about? Which auction are we talking about here?


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:17 pm 
 

I was selling items on ebay and a family member ( who will remain unmentioned) put my things I was saving for myself and ones that I was selling on ebay into the garage sale we were having over the weekend. When I called home to let my wife know what things had sold on ebay -- she made me aware of there was not a box where it was suppsed to be. Really stupid mistake!!! So when I got back later I tried to rectify the issue by hanging signs about the items that were sold -- I had no response from the folks on the second day of the garage sale. Some people came back who were there the first day but not the folks who bought alot of the books from the previous day. Sad thing is all the books and such were sold 2 for a dollar or a dollar each.So now I am just trying to save face and a poor rating on ebay because of a really bad error in my absense.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:19 pm 
 

faro wrote:........Even if you had ended up winning, sucking up a $10-20 error from a mistake you yourself made in IDing and bidding on the pad would've been a far more honorable approach given that you're more than happy to effectively say "tough" when a seller slits their own throat and gives you a BIN on the cheap through their lack of knowledge, for example.

JM02c, anyhow,
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I have no clue what you are talking about! ???
If you dont mind, please help me to figure it out. :?

THIS SITE lists those two versions as follows:
Character Record Sheets (1977 - lizard) Jan 12 07 3 $25  $45  $60  $75  $90  $100   
  Character Record Sheets (1979 - wizard) Jul 26 03 3 $7  $12  $16  $20  $24  $27  

Considering the condition that PC Sheet Pad was in, that would NOT be a $10-20 difference. :roll:

And it was not my error that created that listing.
It was the sellers TITLE and DESCRIPTION that caused the problems.

Yeah I have already admitted that I missed the Wizard Logo, but so did at least one other person, otherwise my high bid would have stayed at the starting price. :lol:

Once I saw MY MISTAKE, I IMMEDIATELY e-Mailed the seller with a REQUEST to PLEASE delete all of my bids.

What the HELL is dishonorable about requesting my bids be deleted 6 DAYS before the listing ends.
ESPECIALLY when the Description AND Title are BOTH totally WRONG.... :roll:  

Sheese.... :roll:


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:29 pm 
 

TheMilford wrote:
Excuse me if I have confused things... But what are you talking about? Which auction are we talking about here?


I think it refers back to the TheHistorians comments on the previous page. It took me a while as well, as it seemed Jims comments referred to Gnat.  :?

Seems a genuine cock-up all round, but what do I know...  :wink:


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:31 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:
I think it refers back to the TheHistorians comments on the previous page. It took me a while as well, as it seemed Jims comments referred to Gnat.  :?

Seems a genuine cock-up all round, but what do I know...  :wink:


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:40 pm 
 

Shame it didnt work out right in the end...


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:51 pm 
 

^== *nods*

Gnat the Beggar wrote:Thats not $10-20 difference. :roll:

In a sentence, "Don't believe everything you see on the Acaeum price list".

You are unlikely to ever see a complete pad of 1979 sheets in nice condition going for $20 unless everyone else is at GenCon without net access. If I was a reseller I'd quite happily buy a bundle at 50% over and resell at a profit if anyone had the stock and wished to take me up on the offer. However, no-one has such stock and they'd be none too smart to accept such an offer even if they had.

I actually made such a purchase on Wizard vs. Lizard (vs. posting here without having had to pay for the privilege of the "win") per viewtopic.php?p=61089&highlight=#61089 and Frank Mentzer corrected me on the price. D'you know what? He was right. The next few complete wizard pads went to $40-60 and lizard pads $50-80 or thereabouts and they were both rare in nice, complete condition. And I'm pretty sure there have been no "bargain" wizard sheets selling at $5-10 by the dozen to offset those since 2006.

Gnat the Beggar wrote:And it was not my error that created that listing.
It was the sellers TITLE and DESCRIPTION that caused the problems.

"RARE 1977 TSR Dungeons & Dragons character sheets"?

Hardly a hanging offence vs. those people with White Boxes they insist they bought before 1977.

A complete pad of sheets in mint condition. Rare? Yep; more so than OCEs, anyhow.
(c) 1977. Yep.
Great big Wizard logo? Not mentioned but hardly "invisible". You didn't spot it; I didn't spot it last time. The world hasn't ended as a result...

Gnat the Beggar wrote:ESPECIALLY when the Description AND Title are BOTH totally WRONG.... :roll:  

Sheese.... :roll:

Your "that was a non corrected error for this set of PC Sheets" was more "wrong" IMO since you have no evidence for that statement whereas the seller was merely stating what they saw.

Gnat the Beggar wrote:Do you have any clue what you are talking about?!

Did I say you were coming across as seriously loud and whiny?
Yes, I do have a clue what I'm talking about having made the same mistake, as I just stated.

How much are you out of pocket as a result of this vs. the seller who placed a BIN and sold you those JG goodies on the cheap?

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:20 pm 
 

ok ...

The 1979 PC Sheets are listed with a date of 1977.
Are you telling us that is NOT an ERROR?
It should list 1979, not 1977.... or both.
What evidence do you want?
Its in the description for that listing and on this site both.

1979:  Character Record Sheets.  Tom Wham artwork on cover.  Wizard logo.  Copyright still reads "1977", but "TM Reg App For" has been removed.  


Is that a good enough for you?

Also, until today (after my first post above) I did not know the seller listed her stuff then dissapeared into thin air for the rest of the week (litterally dissapeared into thin air).

WHO WOULD, since she didnt say anything about not being available for questions.
I guess that too is my fault...  :oops: ...
BTW: When she did return she had EIGHTY ONE (81) E-Mails waiting for her about that listing.
Mine were NOT the only ones.... I sent just 3 of those 81 questions/comments....

I never said I was out of pocket in the deal....
And I never threatened to hang the seller either.

And WHY do you keep bringing up OCE white box sets?
And the BIN I hit for the Judges Guild items for that matter.
What have they got to do with this situation?

Am I on trial for hanging the seller here?
I never threatened to hang the seller.
Am I on trial for that BIN then?
Were you hoping to bid on it?
It was up for two days before the BIN was added and I hit it first... By nano seconds from what another member stated... is that your big gripe with me?
Do I need to hire an attorney?  :roll:


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:47 pm 
 

ashmire13 wrote:Shame it didnt work out right in the end...


No kidding.  The MM was a 1st, the PHB was 1st-3rd, and it seems likely the DMG would be early as well.

I was doubly pissed because it didn't have the most descriptive title, so I didn't think as many folks around here would spot it.  I was right on that front.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:53 pm 
 

Gnat the Beggar wrote:ok ...

The 1979 PC Sheets are listed with a date of 1977.
Are you telling us that is NOT an ERROR?

1977 is the (c) date which is the only date on the sheet. Expecting sellers to unfailingly know the logo dates whilst we "experts" fail to "see" those logos in the first instance is a bit of double standard IMO.

"That was a non corrected error for this set of PC Sheets" - still no. The (c) on the Wizard sheets is still 1977 /not/ when the sheets were printed. There is no "non corrected error" afaik; even less than the OCEs needed to have been updated to (c) 1977 from 1974/1975 or 1974,whatever.

Anyhow, I trust you're not still taking the Acaeum listed prices as gospel throughout; good luck on the 1975 character sheet pads, Strategic Previews, etc., if so.

Gnat the Beggar wrote:Am I on trial for hanging the seller here?
I never threatened to hang the seller.

Only that you'd report them for deliberate fraud, IIRC, and are making an issue of this here when no damage was done in the end for what was likely an honest mistake and/or failure to research the minutae. Remember that listing a seller as a "shady dealer" is likely to affect any future auctions within this domain and thus requires a degree of care to get any complaints "proportional" I'd've hoped.

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