gyg wrote:I'm not saying the seller is right, but I do think it's best to try and take the moral high ground
FormCritic wrote:In this case, the moral high ground would be to just pay and leave positive feedback. Then, write it off as a lesson learned.It is good basic policy not to bid if the seller does not give a firm shipping quote. On the other hand, some people are just too stupid to take mild hints...they need the full load of negative consquences to get the picture. I think this guy rates the full load.Also, I'm feeling mean and petty.
bclarkie wrote:That is not correct. If the buyer does not contest the NPB's, then they will be removed. If Aneoth contests them, he will still eventually get the strike, but assuming the buyer(Aneoth in this circumstance) does not try and use the threat of negative feedback to get his way(i.e Feedback extortion), Ebay will not touch them. Feedback Rules"If the seller files an Unpaid Item dispute against a buyer, any negative or neutral Feedback left by that buyer will be removed if the buyer does not respond to the dispute before the deadline, and receives a strike."In other words as long as Aneoth responds to the NPB notices and tries to resolve the issue and does not come out and say you either do it my way only(which includes something not already promised by the seller) or I will leave you neagtive feedback, Ebay will not remove the Negs left by Aneoth.
Click Pay Now to confirm shipping, get total price, and arrange payment through: PayPal; money order. Item # Item Title Qty. Price ** expired/removed eBay auction ** Dark Folk by Role Aids 1 US $0.99 ** expired/removed eBay auction ** All the Worlds Monsters, Vol. 1 1 US $20.50 ** expired/removed eBay auction ** All the Worlds Monsters, Vol. 3 1 US $20.50 ** expired/removed eBay auction ** Rare Find!, The Arduin Grimoire by Dave Hargrave Vol.1 1 US $18.50 ** expired/removed eBay auction ** Rare Find!, The Arduin Grimoire by Dave Hargrave Vol.3 1 US $11.55 ** expired/removed eBay auction ** Fantastic Treasures by Role Aids 1 US $0.99 ** expired/removed eBay auction ** Citybook 1, Butcher, Baker, Candlestick maker by Blade 1 US $4.30 Subtotal: US $77.33 Shipping and handling via US Postal Service First Class Mail: US $39.00 Total: US $116.33 as per my last e-mail please advise your intentions on your performance of this contract.silence will consider this sale void as of 6/11/08 per agreed upon auction stipulations. if you have any questions feel free to contact me by said time limit. Please email me at [email protected] if you have any questions. If you want to mail your payment, please send it and include a copy of this email to: I omitted his name address and phone number
Dear aneoth,hi aneoth, can i assume by your silence that you are not goiung to pay for these items? if that is the case lets bring this issue to a peacefull close and move our seperate ways. please let me know your intentions so we can finish one way or the other. pete - editdude00
MY SILENCE?! As I stated in my last response to your last letter to me (That was Yesterday afternoon) I wanted to think about your expensive shipping costs. I never had any problems with paying for your items. I have made it abundantly clear that it is YOUR outrageous Shipping and Processing/Handling cost (FOUR times actual shipping costs) that I have the problem with. Those auctions only closed three days ago, I will let you know later on what I shall do, have a little more patience please. BTW: The 48 hours to pay deadline blurb in your listings is not enforceable. You should drop your hard sale REA tactics on this one. Read the E-Bay non-paying bidder policy. While you are there please read the E-Bay Fee Avoidance section as well. All I want is a reasonable shipping cost. Once we have resolved that issue, payment can be made almost immediately. Best Regards, Aneoth
Actions that avoid paying eBay fees -- Selling fees help eBay support both buyers and sellers. Listing practices that circumvent (avoid) fees are unfair to sellers who pay the appropriate eBay fees and may provide a poor buying experience.Examples of listing practices that are not allowed on eBay include:Offering the opportunity to buy the listed item or other items outside of eBay.Offering low item prices but unreasonably high shipping or handling charges.Listing an item that requires an additional purchase.Including contact information (e.g., email addresses, domain names, phone numbers) in the listing title, subtitle, item location, or images.Listing an item where a seller allows buyers to choose from a selection of items.
Sellers may charge reasonable shipping and handling fees to cover the costs for mailing, packaging, and handling the items they are selling. While eBay will not prescribe exactly what a seller may or may not charge, eBay will rely on member reports and its own discretion to determine whether or not a seller's shipping, handling, packaging, and/or insurance charges are excessive. Shipping and handling fees may not be listed as a percentage of the final sale price.Sellers who want to be sure they are in compliance with this policy may charge actual shipping costs plus actual packaging materials cost (or less). In addition to the final listing price, sellers are permitted to charge:Actual Shipping cost: This is the actual cost (i.e. postage) for shipping the item.Handling Fee: Actual packaging materials costs may be charged. A handling fee in addition to actual shipping cost may be charged if it is not excessive. Insurance: Sellers offering insurance may only charge the actual fee for insurance. No additional amount may be added, such as "self-insurance". Sellers who do not use a licensed 3rd party insurance company may not require buyers to purchase insurance. This is a violation of state law. Tax: Only actual applicable federal, state, country, city, VAT, and equivalent taxes may be charged.For cross border transactions, sellers may not collect tariffs and duties. However, buyers may be responsible for actual, applicable tariffs, and duties as requested by respective country laws. Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:Listing cancellationLimits on account privilegesAccount suspension Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings Loss of PowerSeller status
Dear editdude00,http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-shipping.htmlPlease read this, I have. Aneoth- aneoth
Aneoth wrote:My last attempt at a reasonable resolution. If he will not relent on his insane shipping charges then I will tell him no sale and let E-Bay resolve this.
Mars wrote:Have you opened up an Ebay Dispute with him yet? If not, wait the day or two until he relists the auctions.
Deadlord39 wrote:Way to go, Annie. If more people stood up for themselves and refused to tolerate this shyte, there'd be less idiots like that around.
Aneoth wrote:Sorry Mike (I cannot pretend to know how you feel as a seller) but in so far as this situation I feel that to submit to paying his E-Bay fees (Read that as Extortion) for nothing is tantamount to allowing outright theft on his part.
Aneoth wrote:No, as far as I know E-Bay has no knowledge of our situation. And if he does re-list without trying to resolve the high charges, then yes I shall report him. However, I think he will be reporting me as a non-paying bidder before that happens anyway. (He wants to get his E-Bay fees back after all) And No, I will NOT pay him any extortion to just walk away. And YES, I shall fight him tooth and nail once E-Bay does get involved. Sorry Mike (I cannot pretend to know how you feel as a seller) but in so far as this situation I feel that to submit to paying his E-Bay fees (Read that as Extortion) for nothing is tantamount to allowing outright theft on his part.
Badmike wrote:Sellers like this are the reason Ebay had to start their ridiculous "no negative feedback from sellers" crap. Mike B.
FormCritic wrote:Exactly.Have you considered sending him a link to this discussion?
