nevcoup wrote:I was also shocked to see others acting as "thread-Nazis" who were unwilling to even discuss the issue.

out of curiousity....can i ask if you are including me in that comment?

megnelwil wrote:
Yeah sure I know what a straw man is BC. Though your particular model is built from 'facts' you plucked out of your rear end, such as me wanting to see people get 'porked' on postage, and the defence of my 'Pal' Dave. Heard you had a reputation for doing your homework, guess I heard wrong.

See, there you go and prove me wrong.  You know exactly what a straw man argument is, you just posted one.

megnelwil wrote:So you knocking down your own pack of 'shady' accusations doesn't remove the original argument, does it? Wasn't me
who dropped the argument and changed the subject, was it?

Except, I did neither.  The argument isn't why the seller is charging the fees, its the fact that he is charging the fees.  Whether or he is explicitly stating it, he is still doing it.  The only real difference between this guy and most of the other sellers out there who charge the exact same fees into their s&h fees is the fact that he has left himself open to have Ebay shut him down for violating thier rules, everything else is exactly the same. Again, since you obviously missed it the first time, if someone is effectively stealing your money whether or not you know about it nor not, DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT HE IS STILL STEALING YOUR MONEY.

megnelwil wrote: Wouldn't be much of a challenge either if your performance so far is an indicator.  

More straw? No thanks I am done with this now.

killjoy32 wrote:
out of curiousity....can i ask if you are including me in that comment?

NO, NO, NO!!

When I posted I saw that you had posted just prior and was worried you might think so  

No. As many have said, you are clearly one of the most pleasant and welcoming people here

Sorry for any confusion.

I was reacting to the "not this again" "end of story" "he's a bad guy 'cause he's mentioned here" bold statements.

Again, a million sorrys  Not directed at you.

i like to have the option to track or insure.

Of course, and I would not say to not ship it that way, because its a matter of forcing the postal system to be accountable for their mistakes, when the fault lies with them. But, if its down between 1 day delivery for $20 and 5-10 days for $2... I'm going with $2. I at least want the option to pick. That's my point. I don't like being told I can only get my package one method (unless, in reality, there is only one actual method.) Give me my choices and let me make them... don't tell me what's best for me because it costs the most.

Anyway, I was unsure what the seller had done too. I just thought it was a case of overpriced shipping.

killjoy32 wrote:yeah i agree there. your postal service is way better than ours for options. our options are severely limited.

Al

Limited options in Canada also. I have a few items up right now including some lots of old sci-fi magazines. I had a question on the shipping asking if I could ship them by a slower method for a cheaper price to the US. Unfortunately the mags and packaging weigh in at just over 3 pounds and the price I have quoted just barely covers the cost to the East coast of the US and I would actually end up taking about a $1.75 loss if I ship them to California/West coast.

serleran wrote:And then, there are the ones who refuse to allow other shipping methods, which I find to be total BS, outright. For example, maybe I don't want my item in 2-3 days (priority) when I can get it in 3-5 (flat rate) for half. I think I'm going to stop bidding on all auctions that don't let me pick my shipping method. After all, once I pay for it, its no longer the seller's item... its mine; they have my money and my item; why should they be the ones to dictate how I get my own stuff? I can have it sent to me however the hell I want, and if it gets lost or screwed up, it should be my fault because I didn't request it be sent in a better manner.

Needless, this little thing with eBay pisses me off to no end.

I don't like to allow other shipping prices because I want the item to get there the EASIEST and FASTEST method possible, which is typically by priority mail.  Once again, if you don't like the guy's shipping methods, you can pick and choose who to bid on, the market will even itself out.  If someone specifically asks me for another shipping method I will consider it, but I've gotten tired of the "Where is my item?" emails the last few years that start a few days after the purchase, and always when the item has been sent by media mail, to be followed by the "I'm reporting you to ebay you bastard thief" emails that occur about day 7 or so.  People don't understand media mail is SLOW, and thus I avoid it in almost all cases unless the package is very heavy.

Mike B.

megnelwil wrote:Okay, we both got our shots in. Are we going to shake virtual hands now and call it a day?

Thats okay by me, I really don't want to argue anymore.  

nevcoup wrote:I hate to be a naysayer, but, even if his auctions are shut down, I hink he is far less "shady" than those who do the very same thing without mentioning it. We're actually going after this guy for being honest in this case.

He doesn't exactly say he includes Ebay fees in his shipping, he says:
"My shipping costs consider EBay listing fees, PayPal fees, shipping material costs and postage."

Clearly it is a mere semantics issue, but he may even be able to keep the auctions up.

I agree with the poster above that a "friendly" email regarding Ebay rules would have been a better way to start with this guy.

Just to make everything clear, my beef was with labeling this guy as shady when, in fact, he was making all his stupid moves publicly with full disclosure. I was not making an argument about postage fees, or handling charges at all.

So when I got the response quoted above I reacted negatively. Like I said, I typically avoid this thread, so was unaware that a shipping/handling debate was even on the horizon. Looked to me like we all agreed he overcharged (no debate) and that the real beef was about his Ebay ethics. So my motivation with the thread nazi label was all about shutting debate down regarding this guys status as a mouth-breathing shady lowlife. I always think conversation is in order before sticking a potent label on someone...as such, sorry for the thread nazi label  

I'll just slowly back out of this thread....NO THREAD FOR ME!!!!

Peace all

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