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Post Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:57 pm 
 

These auctions are a little older now, and I don't know this seller, but they should know better than to do this:


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Collector's need to be informed before making purchases for items that are listed for this much.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:13 pm 
 


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isnt this just a pod

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:35 pm 
 

bbarsh wrote in Shady Dealers:First, I will go back and read through some of these later tonight to answer objectively and coherently. I will say that at this time, I know nearly all sets were shipped. As everyone clearly is aware, the massive length of time it took me to complete and deliver this project was certainly, well, horrible. That is in me and I have always taken responsibility for that. The problem with delivery of some sets is that KS has removed some
Buyers who are no longer on KS OR WE HAVE. BAD EMAIL ADDRESSES. I have noted this in updates.

So I will our this right out there, if you have not received your set, please email me:  [email protected]

Again, I have made plenty of mistakes on this and I am truly sorry. It doesn’t go a long way, but there it is.

I will read back through these and respond as I can. Especially to backers. Speculation by those who aren’t backers is fine. I’m a target-rich environment regarding this so it is what it is.

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I’m going to stick this back up, as Bill (surprisingly) never responded, even though it’s 5 months later and not the next night as suggested. Not even logged onto the site since the first week of May, so I would suggest staying clear of any future KS or sales offered by Pacesetter Games unfortunately

What is a real shame is that the quality is really very good! It’s just let down by lies, broken promises and missed deadlines.
Maybe Bill will recover something credit one day, but for me, I’d never order anything from him ever again, which actually does upset me.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:32 pm 
 

I don't know if he will respond if that email address was used, as it has a typo in it.  It should be: [email protected]

FWIW, his son Ben has been much more reliable and responsive as of late.  Even though I've backed off purchases from Pacesetter myself, I still supporting his son's Kickstarters occasionally.  I've really backed off of Kickstarters in general though.  Way too many failed/unfulfilled, and some of the ones that I have supported have been a mess to track.  I've also been inundated by subsequent emails for new Kickstarters.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:28 pm 
 

I’ve only backed 5 KS projects and unfortunately, 2 came up fine, 1 didn’t deliver anything and the guy disappeared, and the other 2 kind of delivered some goods over the course of many years, so it’s not something I’ll go in with again either


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:25 pm 
 

I backed a number of Kickstarters way back when it was a trusted platform, but there have been so many failures and people doing a runner with the money and leaving backers high and dry over the past few years that I stopped putting money into people’s projects.

I still privately support projects on a personal level, but I’m no longer interested in Kickstarters because there is low value for money as a supporter, and way too much risk attached to such value.

The current economic outlook increases the likelihood of failures to my mind. No means to control rising prices and/or failure to deliver further down the line of printed copy, coupled with the likelihood of substantial increases in the costs of shipping.

Maybe if there were a meeting of minds between some big names in the industry, I may be tempted back to Kickstarter, but I don’t see that level of talent coming together on the right kind of project any time soon.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:37 am 
 

This just wastes everybody's time.  :roll:


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No, not as new. Nor is the white box set you have up "museum quality".


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Seller already has one -ve feedback specifically to do with poor quality as well.

And yet, and yet... bids and bids.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:49 am 
 

red_bus wrote in Shady Dealers:
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The lo-impact 1970s dice included might be helping to raise the bids.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:55 am 
 

Aha!! ... you are less sleepy than me this morning. I wondered why the bids were still rising.  :lol:


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:05 pm 
 

sauromatian wrote in Shady Dealers:
The lo-impact 1970s dice included might be helping to raise the bids.


For those of us not paying attention to dice collecting, can you spell out how this rates as shady?

  


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:02 pm 
 

stylean wrote in Shady Dealers:
For those of us not paying attention to dice collecting, can you spell out how this rates as shady?


The dice are lo-impact. If the buyer tries using them, they might be disappointed to find the plastic wears down without the benefit of modern polyhedral technology. If they try using the Holmes-era D4 as a small caltrop, their enemies might charge over them unhindered. No one wants that mentioned in Ebay feedback.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:57 am 
 

sauromatian wrote in Shady Dealers:... If they try using the Holmes-era D4 as a small caltrop, their enemies might charge over them unhindered. No one wants that mentioned in Ebay feedback.


Agree. I have been using modern d4s for home defence, quite successfully, for some time now. They need to be pointy!


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Post Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:16 pm 
 

red_bus wrote in Shady Dealers:
Agree. I have been using modern d4s for home defence, quite successfully, for some time now. They need to be pointy!


Better defence than Lego


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:33 pm 
 

Not sure I’ve seen anything like this recently...


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Post Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:28 pm 
 

Hello People and Others,

I know I don't post much but rest assured I have been here more days than not, learning from you bunch of passionate collectors. Sadly I am preparing to sell a large portion of my collection because - finances. I am not the savviest seller on ebay but I can manage. One thing I wanted to do was update my Blocked Buyer list from the "you know whos". To some they would be happy to hear that I used the search function! Several times, and for multiple things! Amazing what one can find. Anyway I copied and pasted the list into ebay and I thought I would offer that a few ID's are no longer in service:

Your blocked bidder list has successfully been updated with new information you submitted. The following user(s) were not valid and therefore not added to your list.

littleprincessfreya :        Invalid User Id
moneyforoldrope2010 :        Invalid User Id
lisas_stuff_too! :        Invalid User Id

I've read some very good discussion for and against having a sticky with an active list of Shady Types. However if someone has had wanton and negligent dealings with a particular buyer please feel free to let me know so I can add them to my list. I'm starting small with the listings and working my way up to the more "interesting" stuff. Once I get my listing up all make a note in the Classifieds.


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:25 pm 
 

This seller makes me mad.

The seller has sold a lot of these, and it's not clear if these are blatant copies or the POD versions.  Lot of tricky wording "Pre-Owned", "Condition:Used", “Near Mint and Unread - Please see the full description - This is a Perfect Bound Reprint”, "These products were created by scanning an original printed edition because original digital layout files never existed or were no longer available from the publisher."

That last statement would imply that they are not POD, but copyright infringing copies.

And on the point of no longer available - really?  A quick Google search and I can find them for sale by the publisher for considerably less:

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CM3 Sabre River (Basic) - Wizards of the Coast | D&D Basic | Adventure Modules | D&D Basic | DriveThruRPG.com

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B1 In Search of the Unknown (Basic) - Wizards of the Coast | D&D Basic | Adventure Modules | D&D Basic | DriveThruRPG.com

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D2 Shrine of the Kuo-Toa (1e) - Wizards of the Coast | Adventures | AD&D 1st Ed. | DriveThruRPG.com

I don't mind if someone is trying to turn an honest profit, but this is just shady to me.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:12 pm 
 

dbartman wrote in Shady Dealers:This seller makes me mad.


"For example in picture #2 what looks like a stain is from the original copy and not a real stain on this book."

How often do we get to appreciate a good dog-vomit stain, without all the unpleasantness of actual dog vomit? The seller is performing a service.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:58 pm 
 

Another seller looking for an angle to sell reprints masquerading as legitimate originals in SW with dice, in an effort to make the item more appealing:

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Listed as "Used".  Nowhere does it state it's a reprint.

Some of the sellers other items at least state they are reprints, but they are listed for a considerable amount considering.  They are in "SW" though.

Some past sales:

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Post Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:46 pm 
 

dbartman wrote in Shady Dealers:Another seller looking for an angle to sell reprints masquerading as legitimate originals in SW with dice, in an effort to make the item more appealing:

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Listed as "Used".  Nowhere does it state it's a reprint.

Some of the sellers other items at least state they are reprints, but they are listed for a considerable amount considering.  They are in "SW" though.

Some past sales:

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I  think all this pod reprint selling is a nasty scam that hurts the hobby.


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Post Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:57 am 
 

Hurts the hobby of D&D or hurts the hobby of Collecting?
I do agree that unless the module is labelled as a reprint, then it could be interpreted as misleading, but as far as I'm aware there isn't anything that says you have to label legitimately purchased and printed products as being in any way fake or not legitimate products.
That's a problem for educating collectors, and will probably result in a lot of collectors finding out that they have bought reprints, but the obligation is on the collector to research and find out what they are collecting. In fact that's a lot of the draw towards collecting for me.
If a buyer makes a few $20 mistakes or overpays $50 for a reprint they could have commissioned themselves a lot cheaper, then they learn, but I made substantially greater mistakes in the early years of my collecting career, and I suspect many of us have. SO I don't think collectors will be put off. I think they'll learn quickly enough.
As for playing, anything that gets product into the hands of players I think is a good thing.
Possibly the presence of reprints lowers the price of common collectables, but the rares are rare and I don't think they'll be harmed.
Wait until you get high quality minty woodgrains flooding the market at $100 a pop.


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