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JasonZavoda
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:02 pm

ashmire13 wrote:Whoa, lurker! Meta has made a good call here, IMO, its a tip off.

Go win the items and come back to show they are genuine. Right now, I'd not take a punt on this seller, its far to dubious.
Thats not saying it is, it just looks it.

I sent this seller a question myself and no reply. He may be on the up and up but I would have more faith in that if he had answered my questions.

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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:36 pm

ashmire13 wrote:Whoa, lurker! Meta has made a good call here, IMO, its a tip off.

Go win the items and come back to show they are genuine. Right now, I'd not take a punt on this seller, its far to dubious.
Thats not saying it is, it just looks it.

You're right, excepted the fact i already have this stuff at home.

:oops:

To all of you, especially to Metamorphosissigma, please accept my sincere apologies, but :
* the topic title is "Shady dealers", clearly not "Maybe Shady dealers ?" - maybe a misunderstanding concerning "shady"
* i suffered that kind of mistakes some years ago on another forum - it explains my reaction, as it affected my sales greatly so it's the reason why i replied this way

Again, please accept my apologies. I repeat : ALL OF YOU.

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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:48 pm

JasonZavoda wrote:
I sent this seller a question myself and no reply. He may be on the up and up but I would have more faith in that if he had answered my questions.

I saw, Jason. But my point is a personal answer or an answer to all in the bottom of the item description is the same, isn't it ?
The sole difference would be about grading the seller as DSR / comms : from my point a seller who answers every questions one by one is entitled in 5/5 but if i have to dig each item description bottom for a mass answer i will take it as a hassle so i think in case there is no other comms during the sale (no "thanks", no "your item has been shipped", and so on ...) i would maybe grade him 4/5 as DSR, or worse.

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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:03 am

lurker, I'd call 'Shady' as suspicious, so this Meta case qualifies. 'Maybe Shady' are almost two words with the same meaning. Maybe its lost in translation

Crooks like coug and ETB/lisa_stuff_stinks etc, get their own thread.

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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:36 am

Ok, thanks !
Again, my sincere apologies to all of you. Sometimes, my mind wanders ... :roll:

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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:20 pm

No prob. In any case, if my/our suspicions have had any effect on the seller's reputation, I can't detect it. Bidding is proceeding apace, and looks to be set to approach or even equal the amount the lot went for the first time around. I feel badly for the buyer if the auction is bogus.

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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:18 pm

Also i

Trully hoping the best bidder will receive this lot in the same condition it is described ... Let's wait, watch and see what will happen concerning FB.

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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:58 pm

Hey gang. Just wanted to post and clear things up regarding the recent transaction involving myself, that Meta saw fit to mention.

Firstly, I bid and won this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT

The guy who was selling it actually lives like 20 minutes south of me, so we agreed to hook up face to face and just do cash, to avoid paypal fees and the like. We met up, he handed me a box of modules, I handed him a wad of cash, transaction successful. Think nothing more on the matter.

Later, another member points out to me that he has relisted the auction,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWAX:IT

and he wondered if I got shafted or if any sort of unpleasantness had occured. I shoot the guy an email, no response. I read his explanation of how he got the same listing again, so I figure WTH, I live right near him, I can't really get burned here, so I won that auction too.

Here's where the story goes south. He doesn't respond to my emails. I actually have his phone number, he gave it to me for the first transaction. I call him up and he pretends he can't hear me on his cell. (I get a lot of "hello?" type answers bah). Long story short, this guy is a newbie scammer. I guess he figured that since we did the first sale in cash, nobody would realize it officially and he could put one over on the next guy. He probably never realized the next guy could very well be me. LOL. At any rate, if he relists it again, avoid like the plague.

So, thumbs up to the people on the boards who keep an eye peeled, and I'm glad I could eat the scam this time with zero loss. Anybody else winning would have paid up front, and then gone thru a warzone to get any money back.

Zenfinite

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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:11 pm

Nice moral to the story, thanks for the update Zen. Shame the guy used a 'deceased brother' in the BS...

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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:51 pm

Zenfinite wrote:Hey gang. Just wanted to post and clear things up regarding the recent transaction involving myself, that Meta saw fit to mention.

Firstly, I bid and won this auction:

** expired/removed eBay auction **

The guy who was selling it actually lives like 20 minutes south of me, so we agreed to hook up face to face and just do cash, to avoid paypal fees and the like. We met up, he handed me a box of modules, I handed him a wad of cash, transaction successful. Think nothing more on the matter.

Later, another member points out to me that he has relisted the auction,

** expired/removed eBay auction **

and he wondered if I got shafted or if any sort of unpleasantness had occured. I shoot the guy an email, no response. I read his explanation of how he got the same listing again, so I figure WTH, I live right near him, I can't really get burned here, so I won that auction too.

Here's where the story goes south. He doesn't respond to my emails. I actually have his phone number, he gave it to me for the first transaction. I call him up and he pretends he can't hear me on his cell. (I get a lot of "hello?" type answers bah). Long story short, this guy is a newbie scammer. I guess he figured that since we did the first sale in cash, nobody would realize it officially and he could put one over on the next guy. He probably never realized the next guy could very well be me. LOL. At any rate, if he relists it again, avoid like the plague.

So, thumbs up to the people on the boards who keep an eye peeled, and I'm glad I could eat the scam this time with zero loss. Anybody else winning would have paid up front, and then gone thru a warzone to get any money back.

Zenfinite

Good lord, what was this idiot thinking? Not only is this a scam that cannot work but he knows that people are suspicious of him. have you contacted ebay?

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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:54 pm

Here is another scammer. I won two softcover AD&D monster manual annuals from this seller and ask him to use two pieces of cardboard to protect them during shipping (he is charging $5 to ship them media mail). He tells me it will cost another $20 for him to ship them this way and wants me to send him the money via paypal. This is a regular seller with almost 10,000 feedback.

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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:00 pm

A PayPal complaint for non-delivery of product is pretty much a slam dunk.

Are these guys just to lazy too be stupid?

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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:53 pm

sigh............. ripped off again, no communication and no item

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT

Didn't somebody say this guy was another incarnation of JonB

Anyway paypal claim started, I hope it turnms out well

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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:59 pm

Blackmoor wrote:sigh............. ripped off again, no communication and no item

** expired/removed eBay auction **

Didn't somebody say this guy was another incarnation of JonB

Anyway paypal claim started, I hope it turnms out well

Look at that recent feedback with the "stolen items from my car" story, too.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... ckAsSeller

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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:24 pm

misterspock wrote:Look at that recent feedback with the "stolen items from my car" story, too.

That's exactly the type of stuff criminals are looking for these days :roll:

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:01 am

Now the jack ass has sent a fake tracking number to paypal

This guy really needs to see some jail time :evil:

Blackmoor wrote:sigh............. ripped off again, no communication and no item

** expired/removed eBay auction **

Didn't somebody say this guy was another incarnation of JonB

Anyway paypal claim started, I hope it turnms out well

Games can get you through times of no money but money can not get you through times of no games!!

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:47 am

Why would anyone drop money on stock photos? Especially above $10? Surely you have to question why the seller is not going to tell you the thruth about the condition of the item and post a photo? And if you make that link, you must already be questioning thier honesty before you place a bid.

Seller's account had only been operating for 28 days, prior to being dormant for five years having received negative feedback for fraud, stealing and non delivery?! Why risk it?

If I can't see what I'm buying and the seller won't actually take a photo and show me what I'm buying and just says it's used and it's valuable so give me your money, I wouldn't be gambling my money on it, because sometime when I gamble I lose. Be it to a seller who lied about the condition, or a seller who lied about actually having the goods. It's something that eBay taught me over the years.

Unless you are selling brand new mint condition products and they are relatively new to the market, there is absolutely no excuse for not providing a photo. If you bid on a listing because you think you're getting it cheap by taking risks other people wouldn't take, sometimes you get more hassle that you bargained for.

I trust you bought on a credit card and have your credit card company for security? This is another error some people make. Don't EVER take your dispute to PayPal first if you can take your dispute to your credit card company.

By going to PayPal, you lose your right to claim through your credit card company and have PayPal play ball. If you claim through your credit card company, PayPal automatically take the money off of the seller and leave it for the card company to resolve with the seller's account. If you claim through PayPal and they find in the seller's favour, and then you claim through your credit card, PayPal have already found in favour of their client and you have already agreed to the terms and conditions of their resolution process. You get the funds back from your credit card company, but PayPal then resolve the debt between their insurance and your account, and this can leave your account in debt/ frozen, and they will pursue that debt.

Go to the credit card company first, every single time.

The fake delivery confirmation number works with PayPal, because PayPal only require a number to prove the item was posted. Delivery confirmation does not need to be to the buyer.

I hope this works out for you. Doesn't seem like you got burned for much, but it's hard to swallow nonetheless. Have you left negative feedback yet to warn others?

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:42 am

mbassoc2003 wrote:By going to PayPal, you lose your right to claim through your credit card company

Ian, you're wrong : if you loose when using Paypal process, you can still open a case near your credit card company and win. The sole differences are :
* the credit card company claim is resolved faster than recoursing to a Paypal claim
* in a credit card company case, the seller pays extra fees to Paypal :lol:

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