RaisedFromTheDead wrote:Pretty much hit the nail on the head there, Ian. If liberal pansies consider it immoral, screw 'em.

bclarkie wrote:Aside from the fact that an eye for an eye isn't even applicable here...

mbassoc2003 wrote:You're right of course, Brian.
We should just complain to eBay and ask them to investigate the person in secret.
That has always worked in the past, hasn't it?

mbassoc2003 wrote:Ignore the fact that eBay earn money regardless of whether the person ships stuff or not.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Ignore the fact that eBay now keep buyer's IDs secret so you cannot forewarn buyers.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Ignore the fact that online fraud is not enforcable by law enforcement in either your country or mine.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Ignore the fact that a civil case through small claims court is unlikely to succeed  and will cost you far more than any other action you can take even if it does.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Yes. We should just let them do their thing and F all the buyers who get caught up in the action. Screw 'em. If they buy from her they deserve it.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Or maybe militant action is called for and rational in response to a thief that has been praying on RPG collectors for almost a decade now. Maybe a liberal attitude towards crime is what makes your country and mine two of the most criminally indemic societies on the planet.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Advocating some form of militant action seems far more possitive than just rolling over and wallowing in the 'we can't do anything about this' mentality. Or even some form or e-leafletting campaign carried out on forums saying, 'Watch out!'.

Besides, wasn't the US and it's entire constitution based on militant action against the crown?

Militancy and persons taking action against criminals are as American as the dollar bills this guy is stealing.

mbassoc2003 wrote:I took a single course of action against this individual, and offered to complete the transaction both directly to the seller, and later here in public forum, and the seller chose not to complete or divulge to me their identity. That one course of action has at least had an impact on the seller, whereas I doubt all the whinging here has resulted in much at all.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Let me correct this notion you have that I stole money or goods from anyone...

I bought a premium utem from Jonb that cost $50 and I paid $20 for airmail shipping to the UK. Six weeks later I had received no product and no contact with Jonb and his feedback was filling up quickly with negatives as he started the steal from everyone.

I filed a credit card claim and left negative feedback and I recovered my funds in full.

Then, some weeks later I received my item as it appears it was sent surface main for about $6. I e-mailed Mr Bennett I believe he was perporting to be at the time, and I knew his e-mail account was an active account as I had corresponded with him before. His eBay account had now been terminated, and the e-mail address attached to his PayPal address was not the one that IDed his PayPal account. I offered to pay for the item if he would provide a name and address to me. He never responded.

So I won out. I got the money and the goods. He lost out. Tough shi'.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Now, if I ever fail to ship goods to anyone and start screwing over the community, then 'Yes', I would advocate people do whatever they need to do to take me down. Mind you, I suspect if I started listing things and never shipped them, and my feedback started filling up with negatives, I could trust in the community here in the UK to come knocking on my front door. We're like that over here in the UK. If you get screwed over by a Brit and you have contact details, I'm sure someone here will be willing to go give the guy a personal visit to collect your items.

mbassoc2003 wrote:1. I paid for the goods and the shipping.
2. I waited 45 days before filing a claim with my credit card, at which point the evidence was that I had been ripped off like every other muppet who bought from him.
3. When the item finally arrived I offered to return the recovered funds  and that offer was not taken up.

At what point did I break the law? And which law is this? Is it Bclarkies own moral conduct law? PayPal had already locked me out of the claims process as I had waited longer than 45 days.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Do you genuinely advocate people ignore their rights under PayPal's Buyer Protection Policy and not try to recover funds BEFORE 45 days? Or is it okay to recover your finds if things don't arrive, but only on the grounds that it isn't from someone who steals from buyers? I don't quite get your moral stance on this.

mbassoc2003 wrote:So I happened to win. I have gone on record publicly saying that if the seller comes forward I will pay then for the goods I purchased.

mbassoc2003 wrote:I have gone on the record and said that it arrived on day 6o-something. I cannot deny that I am liable to pay Jonb for the goods. I cannot deny I received it. But Mr Jonb has done a disappearing act and won't come forward to claim the money.

harami2000 wrote:Hrrr... can't say I'm overly keen to do so, but if eBay ain't gonna listen to what appears to be a valid case. *shrugs*

Jon Bassett  
4866 Ebb Hall Rd  
Dublin, VA 24084  
United States  
(540) 674-4899  

Am gonna give him <24 hours to respond positively to my queries and request re. shipping, then get very pushy, if required; both with himself and eBay.

mbassoc2003 wrote:So, if a customer buys something from you or I, and it doesn't turn up in the post, and (for whatever reason) you or I had a stack of negetive feedbacks building up on our accounts, would you expect the buyer to make a claim for a refund after 45 days, or would you expect them just to give you the benefit of the doubt?

mbassoc2003 wrote:You're moral stance seems to be very confusing on this matter, because you seem to be telling everyone on the forum that this is Mr X and not to do business with them

mbassoc2003 wrote:but on the other hand you say that if you do buy and your item doesn't turn up after 6 weeks, and they do have a sh't load of negatives, just let it alone and don't worry, because asking for your money back might mean you're a thief if your item turns up a few months later.

mbassoc2003 wrote:As regards, Cougie, I have bought and sold over £1000 of stock with the guy, and never had a single problem with his communication or integrity. I know that, as with Troll & Toad, the impression is that he doesn't crap in his own backyard, but to us in the UK, as with T&T to US buyers, Cougie is a standup guy with good customer service.

mbassoc2003 wrote:The posted address for Jon Bassett does not have a Jon Bassett resident at it. Yes, I had the address and tried to contact Mr Bassett at that address, and on that telephone number.

mbassoc2003 wrote:If you buy something that does not turn up and you make a claim to your credit card, you are not stealing.

mbassoc2003 wrote:If you subsequently receive that item, the fact that the item arrives does not make you a thief.

mbassoc2003 wrote:By your own admission, you found yourself stealing from a seller, and the only difference is that you were able to contact the seller and repay him the money. Presumably you had his PayPal ID and used the Send Funds option. That requires the seller to be honest when he sets up his PayPal account. If you didn't go down that route, then presumably you had an accurate mailing address? That requires the seller to be honest when they set up their eBay account.

mbassoc2003 wrote:Either way, by your reasoning, you and I have stolen goods from an eBay seller, and the only difference between your predicament and mine is that your seller was honest when they provided PayPal and eBay with contact information, and my seller was not. That does not make you any less of a thief that I. If what you believe is true, you and I are both thieves.

mbassoc2003 wrote:You just happen to have managed to morally justify your actions by having your payment accepted.

mbassoc2003 wrote:By your reasoning, the Royal Mail and USPS are turning millions of eBayers a year into thiefs and criminals. That really is a pretty flawed moral compass.