Afrika Corps wrote:Good Bye Corporate Dogshit!!!!!!!!! I would just like to have my urination on Paizo and WOTC on file. I agree Dragon Magazine and more recently Dungeon Magazine died on me many many issues ago. Those hacks have successfully turned an iconic equilavent of a finely tuned gourmet snack into a low quality stale fast food hamburger. My local gaming store has several boxes of back issues of recent Dragon Magazines sitting out for clearance @ 1.00$ each, they dont even sale. Why the hell did WOTC have to buy out TSR...Sacrilage I cite the the first steps of what I hope will be a colossal failure of these 2 companies and all future endeavors as: - A total betrayal / ignorance / appreciation of the classic/roots/history/ and origin of the game - Greed..Greed...Greed..Greed - Lack of imagination - 3rd edition idolization, blind glorification with lockstep obediance and salacious obsession with the average 12 year olds "pokemon" allocation of allowance funds - Same goes for the proliferation and shameless promotion and concentration on silly plastic miniatures and self promotion of their own inferior products - Piles and Piles and Piles of Dogshit releases that are overpriced and unoriginal...I really get tired of reading throught 2 pages of statistics/feats/abilities/levels/modifiers for every encounter ( can you say page filler) sheesh sometimes an encounter with goblins is just that. Not to mention the cartoony dumbed down artwork for the average 12 year old, so it doesnt scare the mommies. Hip Hip Hooray!!!!! Piss on You WOTC and Paizo... now you can get back to what you were meant to do with your collective talent and profit projection analysists: Design a new series of Pokemon cards... or maybe some more goofy plastic toys for kids.. Maybe Hasbro can do a corporate buyout. You souless, gutless Toads.
My local gaming store has several boxes of back issues of recent Dragon Magazines sitting out for clearance @ 1.00$ each, they dont even sale.
Why the hell did WOTC have to buy out TSR...Sacrilage
3rd edition idolization, blind glorification with lockstep obediance and salacious obsession with the average 12 year olds "pokemon" allocation of allowance funds
Greed..Greed...Greed..Greed
Not to mention the cartoony dumbed down artwork for the average 12 year old, so it doesnt scare the mommies.
Piss on You WOTC and Paizo... now you can get back to what you were meant to do with your collective talent
ExTSR wrote:#132: Strike Two (Wormy ends)
Afrika Corps wrote:Yes I celebrate the loss of these noble titles and their release from the shitty hands of abuse and neglect from no talent corporate hacks.
Afrika Corps wrote:Do you like your fillet mignon burnt to a crisp, soaked in dogshit, and half eaten served to you at the restuarant? But hey its Fillet Mignon though, so I shouldnt complain.
On the bright side, I guess you have more money availbale to spend on pokemon cards now. .
gyg wrote:So much bile for something that surely has to be a tragedy.While I agree that both mags dropped right off of my radar in the last couple of years, it can only be sad that these publications are ceasing forever.No, I'm not a fan of 3E, and the powergaming/anime/teen/computer game style that goes with it, but unfortunately tastes and target audiences change - it wasn't for me, but perhaps it was hitting exactly the right note for thousands of others out there.Sad days indeedOn a side note - what's your favourite Dragon article?Mine are - 'From the City of Brass to Dead Orc pass..and the Princess Arc series - classic stuff
brute wrote:Xaxaxe, your avatar of that Dragon magazine cover - it looks like the monster could be looking at his computer screen. Either way it's cool.
gyg wrote:On a side note - what's your favourite Dragon article?Mine are - 'From the City of Brass to Dead Orc pass..and the Princess Arc series - classic stuff
Xaxaxe wrote:It's got a bit of trivia, too. It's Erol Otus' one and only Dragon Magazine cover. I figured I'd whip up a quick avatar to not only show my appreciation for Dragon's heritage, but to give a shout-out to Erol, too (he's my favorite artist from Back In The Day).
FormCritic wrote:Erol Otus was the ultimate D&D artist....caught the feel of the early game perfectly.Just as Morno was the artist for the feel of all the Arduin materials. I wish we could convince him to revert and become Morno again.My favorite Dragon articles were always the "NPC" classes such as the anti-paladin, the early samurai, the witch, the bandit the archer and sundry other classes...balanced and sensical or not.Those NPC's got plugged into our games a lot as PC classes. What they turned out to be was a series of experiments in expanding the game as a whole.I also liked the adventures published in Dragon.My least favorite articles were fan fiction (who cares?) and all of the space wasted on non-D&D subjects.I remember Gary Gygax, back in 85 or so, explaining the move to 2nd edition AD&D. Roughly around the same time there was a readers' poll in Dragon about what we liked and did not like in the magazine. The goal of the poll seemed to be to get us to say we liked more non-D&D artiticles.In the section for "What other games would you like Dragon magazine to cover?" I answered: 1) AD&D 2) AD&D 3) AD&D.In the section for "What would you sacrifice from Dragon magazine to make space for new subjects?" I answered: Get rid of the Ares section and go back to covering AD&D.Two issues later, the Ares section was gone and the editor wrote, "OK, so we understand that a lot of you want us to focus more on AD&D!"Presto! No more space wasted on sci-fi games and Marvel super hero crap! (Good for toilet paper and little else to AD&D gamers.)I was impressed that TRS and the Dragon editors had flexible minds that would allow them to adjust to buyer demands...coupled with the sense to see that the TSR spin-off games were a waste of time. (Now, of course, someone here probably loved Star Frontiers or some such other tripe...you and about six other guys. )Dragon and Dungeon were living links with the past. Now they are gone. Sad.It is even more sad to me that the WOTC guys seem to believe that something different will suddenly motivate all of us to buy again. Since the start of 2nd Edition AD&D there has seemed to be a creative screw or two loose at TSR/WOTC...(The jump from 3.0 to 3.5 was the sort of betrayal typical of the screws-loose theory)...although sometimes the machine also spit out really good products. I would have preferred a less glitzy production, more oriented toward actual gaming than (for instance) articles by Will Wheaton...at maybe half the price they were charging.But...I'm not celebrating anything. This is a sad event.Mark
red_bus wrote:Here is the response from WOTC (yesterday). Somewhat more sensitive, and at least recognising the history of the hobby. Still smells to me of suspiciously fake sentimentality and crocodile tears
deimos3428 wrote:Well, their "damage control" agents of doom are now out in full force...just look at the response I got when I tried to have a little fun with them. It only took a suspicious 7 minutes for a response:http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.p ... 713&page=3You'd think they realize they messed up and fix it, but they'd rather spar with me over semantics. I think it'll be a fun week!