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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:42 am

I have here an Orcs of Thar Gazetteer. It had a few extra maps in it of other stuff, but then I noticed two distinctly different things.

It has the double sheet of perforated cardboard counters, but is also has another sheet of cardboard counters that has no perforations and is the thickness of a module cover.

There are also two different maps - one is a double sided color map the other is a single sided map. Both of them have "The World According to Orcs" on the one side, but one is blank on the second side and the other has numerous small maps divided into 7 different sections.

The product codes are the same - that is, the maps have the same code and the different counter sheets have the same code.

What have I got here?

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:28 am

BTB, It sounds like to me like you have the counters from DDA3. Recheck the product codes on the thinner counters. It could be that either that TSR screwed up the product codes on the bottoms if they are all the same, like they did with the map from DL2 putting DL3's code on it or you just miread them yourself due to their similarity. The reason I say that is because the Orc's of Thar product code is 9241 and the product code for DDA3-Eye of Traldar is 9271. In the mean time let me check through one of my own copies and see if I can figure out the maps issue.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:38 am

Clarkie - actually, the counters are 100% the same except for the fact that one is a thin stock (like a folder cover) and one is the regular perforated cardboard counters. They are definitely for the Orc Wars! game.

Also, the thin stock isn't perforated - you would need a scissors to cut them out.

Let me get some pics up. . .

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:47 am

Okay, here are the counter sheets:

Here are the maps:

And then the other side of the maps:

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:47 am

Could the thinner one be an inventory sheet? Some war games provide an inventory sheet so that you might check that all the counters are there onece they have been punched.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:49 am

I should add that neither the TSR archive, Heroic Worlds or the back of the GAZ mentions two maps and two counters sheets.

Also, I have had this item several times before and I've never seen it . . .

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:54 am

That can't be an inventory sheet. I doubt they would waste the glossy color printing on an inventory sheet.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:01 am

Beyondthebreach wrote:I should add that neither the TSR archive, Heroic Worlds or the back of the GAZ mentions two maps and two counters sheets.

Also, I have had this item several times before and I've never seen it . . .

Thats weird.

I mean the logical solution would be then that there is more than one printing. One printing would contain the heavy cardstock counters and the rougher large fold-out map, where as the later printing would have the single sided glossy map and the the thinner(& cheaper counters). As evidenced by the hardcovers(see Unearthed Arcana), prticularly after EGG left, we all know how the product quality deteriorated, so it could be that they reprinted it and just did it more cheaply than the first time.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:03 am

Oh and let me ask you something, is the thinner counter sheet one sided or is it two sided?

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:05 am

Two sided - the back side matches the thick sheet exactly.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:12 am

Beyondthebreach wrote:Two sided - the back side matches the thick sheet exactly.

That to me then eliminates any possibilty of it being a home brew job(it was pretty remote as it was), so it must be a second printing. The person(s) who owned it before you must have had at least two copies of it and put the extra counters and map in the same Gaz10 either because they got confused or perhaps they just thought that it was the best way to store it.

So being that it is almost definitely a second printing(at least), I think that I can hear the handwringing going on at Mike's <chromaticknight> house right now as we speak. :wink:

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:16 am

Beyondthebreach wrote:I should add that neither the TSR archive, Heroic Worlds or the back of the GAZ mentions two maps and two counters sheets.

Also, I have had this item several times before and I've never seen it . . .

I've run across several copies of these through the years...for a rough estimate, maybe 20-30 percent have the thin counters. I guess I've never thought much about it before, just figured they were from different printings.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:22 am

The single sided map and un-perforated counters are inserts from Dragon Magazine #132. That issue contained "ORCWARS! - Bruce A. Herd. A game of looting and world conquest, for the orc in all of us." Page 49. Counters & map were attached to center staples.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:46 pm

Avurax wrote:The single sided map and un-perforated counters are inserts from Dragon Magazine #132. That issue contained "ORCWARS! - Bruce A. Herd. A game of looting and world conquest, for the orc in all of us." Page 49. Counters & map were attached to center staples.

Interesting! So the sets of Orcs of Thar with the flat counters, someone just stuck the Dragon #132 counter sheet inside the module, because it was probably laying around and they didn't know what to do with it. Since the counters are apparantly identical, I take it the games in the module and Dragon mag are indentical? (Obviously too lazy to dig my copy out and check....)

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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:05 pm

You can also download the map and counters as pdf's from WotC:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp? ... x20020218a

They were not put into the Dragon Archive but you can download them as an update.

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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:43 pm

Hence why it is important not to jump to "multiple print" conclusions every time a weird item shows up.

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