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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:02 pm 
 

NetRodent wrote:"Dennis, there's some lovely filth over here."


Bravo sir! :D


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:22 pm 
 

Time to step back and get some perspective, guys.

Don't try to tell me that all of the venom expressed here is justified.

If some of you think that Sea-to-Sky-Games is a troll then I suggest that you practice what you preach and stop answering him.

If we have any trolls here then they are Ice Trolls from the Fiend Folio, with...maybe....d4 hit points.  Nothing to be afraid of.

Is it really our plan to explode anyone who comes here?

Is it your wish for the collecting community to share, have fun and enjoy a mutual hobby?  

Is it your wish for the Acaeum to grow?

What are newcomers supposed to think when they arrive and find that virtually every day brings a new flame war?

How is a newcomer supposed to learn the rules of civil behavior on this forum when they encounter so much that is uncivil from long-time members?

Is that really the way you want things to be?

If we buy into the idea of a "self-moderated" forum then we need to moderate what we say.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:31 pm 
 

gyg wrote:Aside, thinking about Radovarls departure rant - 'help, help I'm being repressed' - name that film


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:39 pm 
 

Mars wrote:
"fetcher la vache!"


'tis but a scratch!'  
(Should stop this now- way off topic! (Perhaps we should all be nasty to Mark - his reasonable, well thought out, calm and decent behaviour has always irritated me greatly :lol:  :lol: ))


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:04 pm 
 

Mars wrote:viewtopic.php?t=152&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=61

Is that also the thread with the earliest troll alert?


Cool.... me, three years ago.  :D  

I think Mark is probably going to get the most sensible last word on this thread.  Although I am not so sure that all this stuff puts posters off - a lot of people here will not have even noticed.  I have only just now read it through - because it is a bit of a dull thread title, I only noticed it when it was getting quite long, then I thought, "oooh, let's look here and see if there is a bit of a flame war..."

Most members here are civil (most of the time), and there is almost always an answer, even to a question that has been asked before.  A bit less time spent belabouring trivial points, and keeping any ad-hominem to a minimum will keep it working well.

Oh, and as to a secret inner circle...      Well, fuck 'em.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:17 pm 
 

To me, it all really depends on how the new person acts.  If they are here acting like a moron(in any multitude of ways that we have seen in the last few months), then they will be treated as such.  If they are here to contribute and participate, then they will be just fine.  

I am not sure why an internet forum should be treated any differently then your RL. I mean if you walk into a store and tell the owners that they are dumb and have no clue how to run their business depite them doing it successfully for many years(not unlike many members of this forum), then don't be surprised when they kick your ass out to the curb.

If you join a club sport and tell everyone there that they suck or that their best player is shite on your first day there, would anyone really be surprised that they were not asked to return?

Respect is earned through ones actions and over the long term, its not deserved and it is not something one can just demand.  New people should be given a chance as long as thier own behavior dictates it.  

I for one would rather see the forum not grow at all if growing means that we have to add troublemakers for it to happen.  It would kind of defeat the purpose of growing in the first place.


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:31 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Time to step back and get some perspective, guys.

Don't try to tell me that all of the venom expressed here is justified.

If some of you think that Sea-to-Sky-Games is a troll then I suggest that you practice what you preach and stop answering him.

If we have any trolls here then they are Ice Trolls from the Fiend Folio, with...maybe....d4 hit points.  Nothing to be afraid of.

Is it really our plan to explode anyone who comes here?

Is it your wish for the collecting community to share, have fun and enjoy a mutual hobby?  

Is it your wish for the Acaeum to grow?

What are newcomers supposed to think when they arrive and find that virtually every day brings a new flame war?

How is a newcomer supposed to learn the rules of civil behavior on this forum when they encounter so much that is uncivil from long-time members?

Is that really the way you want things to be?

If we buy into the idea of a "self-moderated" forum then we need to moderate what we say.

Mark


I'm 100% behind Mark on this.

I was a young dude full of piss back in the early 90s...spent probably 90% of my time online in flame wars.

Have the distinction of getting temporarily banned on AOL by infuriating both Rob Liefeld and Jeph Loeb...story for another day  :D

The point is there wasn't anything constructive about answering venom with more venom. Hopefully I'm now older and wiser. The most valuable quality of a poster is being able to flat out ignore invitations to get involved in non-constructive back and forths.  I've sent many of my buyers here who seemed interested in collecting.  I've been holding my breath hoping none of them makes an innocuous remark that gets them hammered bloody. I would obviously feel responsible.  People are entitled to dumb opinions....and typically anything we don't agree with is a dumb opinion.

Each and everyone here is an ambassador for our hobby.  Please remember that someday a guy we chase away (who might not even be the target of any flaming; maybe he just sees it going on and decides to move on) might be the next guy with an ST1, Strategic Preview set, numbered Wintercon module or unknown variant that he was going to sell to the community.  He may be a writer/artist associated with our hobby with vast valuable knowledge  that we'llnever know.  Hell, maybe Trampier gets a wild hair one day to rejoin the living, logs on, sees this mess and goes back to driving a taxi somewhere for the rest of his life.... :wink:

I said a lot of stupid dumb ass things when I first joined, I'm sure. But happily the guys here gave me latitude.  I hope I've contributed to the hobby in my time here.  Lately I've noticed less and less tolerance on the part of lots of us.  I'm probably guilty also, who knows.  I just don't want the word "Acaeum" to be synonomous with "know it all asshole" when discussed in the community.  I put together stuff like Acaeum member meetings because I'm proud to be a member, and enjoy meeting people with similar interests. Let's don't turn this into a insult slinging old farts hangout that gets more irrelevant with each year...

Rant over....damn, Mark said it better in fewer words. Turning into a long winded blowhard in my old age.

Love you all.... :lol:

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:29 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:I for one would rather see the forum not grow at all if growing means that we have to add troublemakers for it to happen.


Radovarl and Boreas were not troublemakers.  They were both intelligent and well-spoken individuals.

I hope they are still lurking and will decide to stick around.


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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:45 pm 
 

I don't recall Boreas saying anything offensive.  Although Radovarl, did some name calling in a couple of threads.  The 3 that come to mind are (and I will paraphrase):

1) collectors who have too much stuff (I guess more than he does) don't donate enough to charitably organizations.

2) demeaning remarks about Boreas who negotiated a seller to put a buy-it-now on a DMG.

3) charging whatever you want of handling is fine - no name calling in this one that I know of.

Good start at putting people off considering he's only been around 3 weeks.  I'm with Brian on this one.

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Post Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:09 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:
Radovarl and Boreas were not troublemakers.  They were both intelligent and well-spoken individuals.

I hope they are still lurking and will decide to stick around.


I have to agree here as well.  Radovarl did make a comment about I\O's collection that was unnecessarily negative.  From what I read I don't think he meant to upset anyone at all...but obviously it did.  Even after 80 or so posts on this forum in a very short time an apology from him still wasn't good enough.  Over the years here I have read where others have done worse and been forgiven.

Not sure what Boreas was so upset about as I obviously missed the post where he pissed someone off.

This is a forum.  An assembly of open discussion and ideas.  Opinions are welcome...even ones we might consider stupid.  I don't have a problem with bashing someone if they become hostile or if they are simply trying to screw someone over.  Several names come to mind: maxwell, jpipes, creep1962....I could go on.  But from what I have read Radovarl didn't warrant the venom that was spewed at him.  

I don't care for Dragonsfoot.  I don't really like some of the other forums I have checked out either.  I enjoy this one because of the differences of all the members.  And it is nice that it is unmoderated.  I like to say words like asshat and turdwipe without getting banned by some jackhole holier-than-thou moderator.  But the overreacting and downright nastiness is getting really old.  Save the "fuck you's" and "eat shit's" for the creeps and maxwells of the world.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:14 am 
 

My guess on Boreas is that he might have been put off by one of Radovarl's posts actually.  Boreas negotiated a $15 BIN on a 1st print DMG and Radovarl posted something like "someone snaked that auction".  At least that's the only negative thing I can find that was said to Boreas.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:16 am 
 

Thanks for those members that have publicly and privately expressed distaste at the rampant flame warring.  It gives me continued hope that the vocal minority is just that.  It is easy enough to ignore the self righteous forum police that show up firing bazookas when a simple water pistol would suffice.  The impression on the new person that these point-for-point character assassinations give is that there is one accepted way to interact here…one set of opinions that matter.  Why should it be that way?  It is pointless, spiteful and demeaning and serves no other purpose than to entertain.

I have come to know Radovarl the last week or two through private email and exchange of collecting material.  If he really does choose to walk away, it will be a loss to the Acaeum.  I see nothing wrong with his posts (even the wonderful synopsis given in the previous post) even though I might not agree with every point.

I am hanging around and hoping that the tone will change.  I have had outstanding interactions with many of the people that post here.  Most of you folks are well spoken, very knowledgeable and have outstanding sense of humor.  That is what I will choose to focus on.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:19 am 
 

Just a note to set the record strait.  I have no venom toward Radovarl.  I jumped into the frey because I felt badly that he was getting pummeled.  As I mentioned above, I know Radovarl now better than most others here on the board and he has been a great guy to interact with.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:21 am 
 

Here I go being cynical again.

Does anyone around here actually want to talk about D&D collecting?

If not maybe I am in the wrong forum.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:24 am 
 

Boreas wrote:I see nothing wrong with his posts (even the wonderful synopsis given in the previous post) even though I might not agree with every point.


The whole handling issue is his opinion and I have no problems with it but I don't think the other two have any place on this forum and if he was going to continue that kind of activity, I'm glad to see him go.

Personally insulting someone because you can anonymously hide behind a name online is flat out disrespectful and he did it not once but twice.  Just because you apologize for it afterwards doesn't make it better or change the type of person that you are to come out and say it in the first place.  Being disrespectful in this manner has no place in a productive forum, in my opinion.  I guess we have a difference of opinion on that.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:04 am 
 

Howdy Noone,


Welcome to the forum, glad to have you here.

Noone wrote:I am thinking about selling some things on eBay and was wondering about shipping & handling charges.

You have the actual cost of shipping and the cost of the packing materials. Is it legit to charge a nominal fee for your time/transportation costs to the post office or should it just be the actual cost of shipping(postage) and packing materials. I am wondering since if I do very much I have got the multiple trips to the post office (10 miles each way)  and the current cost of gasoline. I was wondering if it is legit to recover at least a little of that cost spread over half a dozen sales at a time.

I look forward to your input. Since I want to be one of the good guys.


We discussed this here previously without too much diversion. Check it out:

viewtopic.php?p=69266

Also, for use here I'll restate my shipping costs:

The Collector's Trove wrote:I just finished shipping out 218 items, in 81 packages, to 5 different countries all over the world.

Just for fun I kept track of the amount and cost of materials for packaging. The amounts are as follows:

333 feet of packing tape
054 feet of scotch tape
188 comic bags
012 Life magazine-sized bags
020 comic boards
090 shipping pads
005 cubic feet of packing peanuts
200 feet of bubble wrap
015 large envelopes
010 small boxes
003 medium boxes
003 large boxes
001 extra large box
001 medium mailing tube

That comes out to a total of $127.90. My shipping and handling fee is $1.50 per customer regardless of how many items they have. So for this auction I charged S&H fees of $121.50. Pretty close!


I would say if you are dealing in very common items the handling fee will kill you as far as being able to compete for the cheapest item. However, if you are dealing with slightly harder to get items, small press, and older items, chances are it will not effect bidding one bit.

I have offered free shipping on items before and it has bit me more than once. It is just not as enticing as some folks would like to think. As I recall one time it was all 13 AD&D hardcover titles with a minimum bid of $49.99 and free shipping anywhere in the world (my choice of shipping method). The bidding ended at $50. Whee!

I like to use new packaging and overly protective packing materials because it adds security, gives confidence, and looks professional. ULINE is the place that I get all of my boxes, typically way cheaper than at local chain stores such as Office Depot.

I hope this has been helpful.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:17 am 
 

The Collector's Trove wrote:
I have offered free shipping on items before and it has bit me more than once. It is just not as enticing as some folks would like to think. As I recall one time it was all 13 AD&D hardcover titles with a minimum bid of $49.99 and free shipping anywhere in the world (my choice of shipping method). The bidding ended at $50. Whee!

Paul


Oh God I'm laughing now, because something similar happened to me several years ago.  Plus ebay and paypal fees, I ended up at a negative for that auction....!  No more free shipping as a result.  Thanks for the laugh Paul.  I only hope the winner of your auction wasn't in Australia....

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:56 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:Here I go being cynical again.

Does anyone around here actually want to talk about D&D collecting?

If not maybe I am in the wrong forum.


BC. dude. you need to come run next years MDS with me.

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