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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:58 am 
 

Some items are described as being in "good condition" "Excellent" etc. Out there in ebay land these are used to describe things that are actually otherwise, take these two for example



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AD-D-Adventure-Mo ... dZViewItem



"Slight cover damage" Slight? Slight? It looks as if the dog gave it a good rogering...



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AD-D-PHAROAH-I3-T ... dZViewItem



"In excellent condition" I hardly think that the module warrents that description...



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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:22 pm 
 

I love that term. Rogering.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:43 pm 
 

Some items are described as being in "good condition" "Excellent" etc. Out there in ebay land these are used to describe things that are actually otherwise, take these two for example

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AD-D-Adventure-Mo ... White-Palm -TSR_W0QQitemZ110097228619QQihZ001QQcategoryZ44112QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

"Slight cover damage" Slight? Slight? It looks as if the dog gave it a good rogering...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AD-D-PHAROAH-I3-T ... itemZ12009 2327493QQihZ002QQcategoryZ44112QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

"In excellent condition" I hardly think that the module warrents that description...

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Those seem like perfectly reasonable item descriptions for about 99.99% of the population. After all, they are in good/excellent condition as most understand the terms: the covers aren't torn off, there are no missing pages, there probably isn't any writing in them. They are nice, usuable components of a game that are 20+ years old.



However, for about the 0.01% of the population (i.e. serious collectors) those descriptions are inaccurate, because we go by a more structured format and generally have a much higher standard of what constitutes "good" condition.



There's nothing unusual or inconsistent about these two observations, nor is it anything worth getting upset or preachy about. Sellers do not have to be an expert in what they sell, nor do buyers in what they purchase.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:53 pm 
 

The grade system is a real pain because generally there are way too many + terms for crappy conditions: Fantastic, Great, Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fine... Then you get to Poor or something at the bottom. I think it's why items in original shrink sell for a premium, seemingly beyond what they probably should.


Sea-to-sky-games is another case of a real pain. The type of individual who builds up a lot of redundant post in a short period of time. Then makes his move against somebody with,"There's nothing unusual or inconsistent about these two observations, nor is it anything worth getting upset or preachy about. Sellers do not have to be an expert in what they sell, nor do buyers in what they purchase." Of course most of STSG's previous posts were pretty "preachy" and very redundant...

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:01 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:I love that term. Rogering.


Perhaps you should write to the Seller and suggest he upgrade the description to -  'Unfortunately, this module has been rogered by our dog, but is otherwise in good playable condition.'

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:24 pm 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:Those seem like perfectly reasonable item descriptions for about 99.99% of the population. After all, they are in good/excellent condition as most understand the terms: the covers aren't torn off, there are no missing pages, there probably isn't any writing in them. They are nice, usuable components of a game that are 20+ years old.

I can't see the second item, perhaps it's gone or the link is broken.  

The I4 isn't "good" by my definition of the term, and I tend to be fairly lenient on these things.  (I may well be the subject matter expert on "low grade" items; I certainly have a lot of them! :D )

Subjective definitions aside, no reasonable person would describe that module as having "slight cover damage".  It's clearly heavily worn.  The current price (1.99 pounds) is about right.

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:49 pm 
 

HermitFromPluto wrote:
Perhaps you should write to the Seller and suggest he upgrade the description to -  'Unfortunately, this module has been rogered by our dog, but is otherwise in good playable condition.'


:lol:   :lol:  :lol:

Nice.

Unfortunately, the auction links are dead.  I wanted to see what a good dog rogering would do to a module.   :x


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:52 pm 
 

Although I can't view your links I have a good idea of what you are talking about.  Most people use the same terms when grading, Good, Very Good, excellent, near mint etc. but the definitions can be drasticly different between sellers.  I've purchased items "in Mint condition" before and they have been used.  A collector who is familiar with grading terms might think Very Good means an average to below average item while to a non-collector it could mean in above average condition.  Hopefully there is a good quality picture in the ad.

Many times if you are the buyer it can be a guessing game as to what the condition actually is.  Maybe this tip will help.  Many times a seller will say that they are former players and are selling off their collection.  My instinct is to say "used material" is what they are selling and not to expect collectible condition.

Really what I think is really important is whether or not the item is complete and does the item have writing or highlighting.  Many sellers are not experts and they have no way on knowing (and don't do any research) if an item comes with a map or is complete.  As a buyer I would say it is on me to find out if the item is complete.  Asking a question might help (or not).

Another good thing to do is to find a seller that you have good success with and stick with them.  There are many good sellers out there and I think you can find some threads that will identify them.

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:24 am 
 

Sorry if you could not see the link, perhaps a copy and paste of this will do?



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AD-D-Adventure-Mo ... dZViewItem



Now you can see what a dog could be capable of...

  

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Post Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:44 am 
 

forkbeard wrote:Sorry if you could not see the link, perhaps a copy and paste of this will do?


** expired eBay auction **


Now you can see what a dog could be capable of...




I see - for 'slight cover damage' read 'f***ed'


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:15 am 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/DUNGEONS-DRAGONS-19 ... dZViewItem



Here's a good example for this thread.  Anyone who would include the word MINT in the description for this item is just dishonest.  Luckily the photo is good enough so you can just laugh.  Probably the seller used the word MINT in the title as a teaser to get you to look.  Condition guides will tell you that grading is subjective but MINT is not a subjective grade.  An item is either MINT or not MINT.

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:43 pm 
 

napoleonsdad wrote:
** expired eBay auction **


Here's a good example for this thread.  Anyone who would include the word MINT in the description for this item is just dishonest.  Luckily the photo is good enough so you can just laugh.  Probably the seller used the word MINT in the title as a teaser to get you to look.  Condition guides will tell you that grading is subjective but MINT is not a subjective grade.  An item is either MINT or not MINT.


Mint as in "an after-dinner mint that has been rogered by forkbeard's dog".



The title is not the only misleading part of the auction; the description is also misleading.  If one has never seen any other RPG modules in his life, then I suppose that the seller is accurate in his gushing "...REALLY, THEY DON'T GET MUCH CLEANER THAN THIS IS.."

  


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:01 pm 
 

"Rogering" is a good term, but I need some context. Does it mean just "eating" — as in, "my dog rogered my homework" — or is it more of a "shaking the thing from side-to-side and tearing at it with dirty paws" sort of thing?

Either way, I'm going to borrow the term for my next listing of a thrashed item: "this poor module has been rogered by my cranky house rabbit" or something like that. :)

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:27 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:"Rogering" is a good term, but I need some context. Does it mean just "eating" — as in, "my dog rogered my homework" — or is it more of a "shaking the thing from side-to-side and tearing at it with dirty paws" sort of thing?

Either way, I'm going to borrow the term for my next listing of a thrashed item: "this poor module has been rogered by my cranky house rabbit" or something like that. :)


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rogering   :lol:

I was unfamiliar with the term also until I encountered it several times in the Neal Stephenson Baroque Series.

Needless to say if somebody descibed their eBay listing saying an animal had rogered it, it would not (hopefully) get any bids.


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:39 pm 
 


Ummm ... wow!  :)  8O  :!:

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:39 pm 
 

8O What with me being the seller in the bottom one I think you are being a little bit harsh.

On the scale of poor, average, good, v good, excellent, fine, nr mint and mint I think it is about right.  The cover had  a bit of fading and only a bit; no tears or other marks.  Staples weren't rusty, or I would have mentioned it, no writing or marks.  All in good shape, clean and fresh smelling.

If you would have asked I could have told you in specifics.  I don't know what you class as excellent but I though it was a fair description.  

You may have been able to judge whether my description was accurate from one scanned picture but its only supposed to be a guide and I expect emails asking for a further description.  I used to write complete description but still people continued to email me so I gave up and just reply to the emails.

So again I don't think its too fair of you to pick random items from ebay and say thats its a crappy description.  Its one word and its supposed to be a guide.  If you had emailed me and I have given wrong or misleading information then so be it and I should expect what I get.  Again if you received an item and it was wrong then I expect poor feed back.  In nearly 400 transactions I have had one negative feedback as somebody didn't want to pay the shipping to Australia so I think I'm doing OK.

It is a hobby for me but it can still cause offence and damage.  Please check your facts.

Just as an aside how would you describe that item?  What condition would it 'warrent'?

  

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:31 pm 
 

jasonw1239 wrote:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rogering   :lol:

I was unfamiliar with the term also until I encountered it several times in the Neal Stephenson Baroque Series.

I think it was Monty Python or Black Adder for me.   :D

  

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:57 pm 
 

simonmwh wrote:8O What with me being the seller in the bottom one I think you are being a little bit harsh.

The Pharaoh module from the first post:

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** expired eBay auction **


On the scale of poor, average, good, v good, excellent, fine, nr mint and mint I think it is about right.  The cover had  a bit of fading and only a bit; no tears or other marks.  Staples weren't rusty, or I would have mentioned it, no writing or marks.  All in good shape, clean and fresh smelling.

If you would have asked I could have told you in specifics.  I don't know what you class as excellent but I though it was a fair description.  

You may have been able to judge whether my description was accurate from one scanned picture but its only supposed to be a guide and I expect emails asking for a further description.  I used to write complete description but still people continued to email me so I gave up and just reply to the emails.

So again I don't think its too fair of you to pick random items from ebay and say thats its a crappy description.  Its one word and its supposed to be a guide.  If you had emailed me and I have given wrong or misleading information then so be it and I should expect what I get.  Again if you received an item and it was wrong then I expect poor feed back.  In nearly 400 transactions I have had one negative feedback as somebody didn't want to pay the shipping to Australia so I think I'm doing OK.

It is a hobby for me but it can still cause offence and damage.  Please check your facts.

No one but the first poster commented on the I3.  Guilt by proximity to the first module could be inferred, I suppose.

Just as an aside how would you describe that item?  What condition would it 'warrent'?


Your description says, "This item is in excellent condition.   All present, correct and intact."  However, the cover is obviously worn, and no mention of that wear-and-tear is made.  One can not help but think what else is missing from the description.  Caveat emptor.



I would have prefaced your description with "Except for fading and cover wear" or included the mjaority of what you said above.



And you said it yourself in your post; "All in good shape, clean and fresh smelling."



Thank you for being civil and well-spoken.  Ummm . . . I'm sure someone will manage to not return the favor, but you shouldn't take any offense at that.   :D

  

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:41 pm 
 

i have dealt with "simonnwh" before and found hes always a cool guy to deal with.

everyone makes mistakes with conditions from time to time, myself included.

in the end, if the buyer isnt happy then he can sort it with the seller.

this instance doesnt make him shady in any way.

personally, i would have said the cover is VG. and if the inner is pristine, i would have said its EX and there done a VG/EX.

but there we go.

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Post Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:42 pm 
 

JohnGaunt wrote:Your description says, "This item is in excellent condition.   All present, correct and intact."  However, the cover is obviously worn, and no mention of that wear-and-tear is made.  One can not help but think what else is missing from the description.  Caveat emptor.

I would have prefaced your description with "Except for fading and cover wear" or included the mjaority of what you said above.

And you said it yourself in your post; "All in good shape, clean and fresh smelling."

Thank you for being civil and well-spoken.  Ummm . . . I'm sure someone will manage to not return the favor, but you shouldn't take any offense at that.   :D


Sorry I should have quoted him, post originator.  But with regards to the rest I did try, at one point, to give very accurate descriptions.  No one took any notice and still sent me emails.  So I decided to cut to the chase and give a rough guide.  People who have specific requirements I would hope that they would email me.  I like talking about D&D stuff and I think that people who buy from me do too.  Again this is my hobby and when I am selling items with loose pages or stains I make it clear and label it as such.  Excellent to me means just that.


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