If you say so... Im not going to throw 35$ away for some d20 crap just because its got the word Greyhawk in it. Have you bought this already? Ever think thats the whole point of making the item, to try and trick old gamers into the trap. A marketing tactic. Have you actually read the copy?

All Im saying is dont be fooled by the hype. D20/3rd Edition/Wizards of the coast has a consistent pattern of crap low quality mass marketed items, especialy when they release a product with a name from the past hoping the name alone and nostalgia will sell the product when the actual substance is crap, tired and unimaginitive. You have to be highly suspicious. I really do wonder how some of the newer products ever recieved the funding to ever get published, a total insult to the buyers. Kinda like a low budget movie.

Afrika Corps wrote:And Im mad as hell and Im not going to take it anymore

I saw Network again the other day - it is still really fresh and angry as a film.  Less sentimental than Broadcast News and Good Night and Good Luck.  Well worth revisiting.

Kingofpain89 wrote:I don't particularly care for d20/3E but based on the previous "expedition" adventure Expedition to Ravenloft I will be picking it up along with Expedition to the Demonweb Pits.

As for Expedition to Undermountain....I may have to wait for a review on that one before buying it.

demonweb pits is one of my all-time fave scenarios, but i won't buy it in d20 format, no matter how gorgeous it looks. simply doesnt do it for me i am afraid, but hey to each their own.

now if they did a 1E version of it !! WAHAY!

Al

Hmmm, my take on WotC's, "Expedition to How They Ruined Castle Greyhawk".  Lets see....

This will be how its received:





And this is what I'd like to do to WotC because of it:

Kingofpain89 wrote:Wolfgang Baur is writing 'Demonweb' and Erik Mona is helping with 'Greyhawk' so I don't see how either of these could end up bad.

Just because the books are for d20 doesnt automatically make them shit.  

ah no maybe you mis-interpreted what i put there KoP. i like the scenarios very much, i just dont like the d20 format thats all. just totally puts me off liking something as i cant really relate to it. not saying its bad or anything, just not to my taste thats all.

Al

Kingofpain89 wrote:
Actually Al, you werent the one that my comments were directed to.  I don't care for the d20/3E format at all myself.  But dismissing something as a pile of offal before it is even released just because it has the d20/3E/3.5E logo on it doesnt make much sense IMO.  People should at least wait until after they have read through the free PDF that they downloaded before passing judgment.

If it turns out to be crap, I will be the first person to say so.

To be honest, I do not have extensive experience with D20 material, but of the stuff that I have had the misfortune of running into would give the term "crap" a bad name.

Additionally, at a pretty steep cost of $35, I would much rather invest that money into something older and much more interesting IMO.  $35 will buy you a lot of cool older common stuff, or to look at this way, you could pick up a copy or two of an older Dragon magazine (anywhere between issues 10-30) for that cost or perhaps set that money aside as it it roughly the 1/4 or so of cost of one of the R series modules.  

As DD pointed out as well above, I also do not like the taste it leaves in my mouth by what is seemingly an apparent attempt by WotC at trying tp overshadow's EGG's own work Castle Greyhawk work through CZ.  And before anyone accuses me of being a shill, I have absolutely no intentions of buying any parts of CZ, unless I get a lucky & cheap Ebay pick up.  I will most certainly not be picking up CZ at retail price, thats for sure.  

Kingofpain89 wrote:Wolfgang Baur is writing 'Demonweb' and Erik Mona is helping with 'Greyhawk' so I don't see how either of these could end up bad.

Just because the books are for d20 doesnt automatically make them shit.  

Ummm, yes, it does, Pain.
Now if it were titled "Rewriting of Greyhawk Ruins for Mindless Teen Powergamers", that would be different. Well, no, it would still be shit.....

deimos3428 wrote:I don't care if the d20 adventures are the greatest thing ever produced.  Sequels suck, and it doesn't matter who writes 'em.  It is in particularly poor taste if it is a deliberate attempt to take "market share" away from EGG.  Go back to making millions on cheap plastic minis, you hacks!

While CZ isn't technically a sequel, and is almost certainly to be a better product, I won't be buying it either.  It's sure to suffer from unavoidable rewriting of history, inclusions of lost stuff, and all kinds of things I just don't want to know about.  It would ruin the experience for me.  I like my Greyhawk old and sketchy, not modern and covered in painstaking detail.

Cmon guys. It's not like they are desecrating a "classic".  The original WGR1 Greyhawk Ruins was not only 2nd edition, AND not written by EGG, but it's one of the worst examples of "monster hotels" ever seen...lots of rooms filled with creatures with no rhyme or reason.  I personally hate the thing.  And no one is taking market share away from EGG except for EGG...I refuse to believe the "official" Castle Greyhawk will ever be published until it is actually physically sitting right in front of me.  Oh, and I LOVE the plastic minis....just invested in a bunch of nice ones, I'm going to buy the dragons soon, and I started selling all my old lead mini sets on ebay last month!!!!!!
       
Mike B.