This one came as I was reading HermitfromPluto's thread about the most laughable RP product.

Two questions:
(a)  What RPG product(s) do you think was the BEST;
and
(b)  What RPG product(s) would you like to see, that doesn't exist? (or a different version of something that does exist; i.e. a version of T1-4 with changes)

I think those questions are too broad in scope.

Maybe,

1. What is the best AD&D/D&D rpg product? (1e and earlier)

I am going to go with the D&D Rules Cyclopedia. Clean, simple yet complex enough to keep the game from getting stale.


2. What is the best AD&D/D&D product that was never made?

A cohesive greyhawk campaign setting including a real module series (the WG series is aweful in my opinion).

sleepyCO wrote::idea:
This one came as I was reading HermitfromPluto's thread about the most laughable RP product.

Two questions:
(a)  What RPG product(s) do you think was the BEST;
and
(b)  What RPG product(s) would you like to see, that doesn't exist? (or a different version of something that does exist; i.e. a version of T1-4 with changes)

There are so many "best" items it's hard to think of just one. Something I use almost every single day is the Core Rules Expansion CD Rom.  Contains every essential book to play AD&D plus a lot of unessential stuff.  It's endlessly adaptable.  I have several thousand custom monsters, treasures, spells, characters classes, etc on my copy.  Nice to have all the rulebooks at your fingertips on your laptop when you play....I never even bring my books to sessions anymore.  At this point I would find it hard to DM or play without it.

I would have liked to see a Castle Greyhawk, but unfortunately it's at least 25 years too late.  At this point, anything published with that name will never live up to the hype, plus it's just a different era....super dungeons are a dime a dozen, and I doubt if EGG's brilliant presentaton skills he had in his prime are present now.  Just a terrible lost opportunity.

It would have been nice to see a "GH" series presented in the same format and with the same level of detail as the "FR" series for the Forgotten Realms setting.  I'd love to be sitting down perusing GH5 Theocracy of the Pale or GH8 Kingdom of Keoland or GH11 Perrenland and the Yatils, but alas it was never to be.....

Mike B.

sleepyCO wrote::idea:
This one came as I was reading HermitfromPluto's thread about the most laughable RP product.

Two questions:
(a)  What RPG product(s) do you think was the BEST;
and
(b)  What RPG product(s) would you like to see, that doesn't exist? (or a different version of something that does exist; i.e. a version of T1-4 with changes)

Tegel Manor

CSWE or any unpublished City States

ShaneG.

sleepyCO wrote::idea:
This one came as I was reading HermitfromPluto's thread about the most laughable RP product.

Two questions:
(a)  What RPG product(s) do you think was the BEST;
and
(b)  What RPG product(s) would you like to see, that doesn't exist? (or a different version of something that does exist; i.e. a version of T1-4 with changes)

I guess if I asked the question I should throw my $2.00 (inflation) in as well     .

For (a), how about these little things: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20, d%.

For (b), I wished there had been proper sequels to T1 Village of Hommlet instead of the T1-4 supermodule; I agree about a DA5, plus an L4, L5, etc.; and as mentioned above a Castle Greyhawk with all levels.

My favorite is the U series, it just doesn't get any better than this.

A room at the Saltmarsh Inn: 1gp
Dinner: 2sp
Lopping off Ned's head the first time he attempts a backstab: PRICELESS

What would I wish for? I'm easy to please, how about all three in mint SW condition. A good gaming group and time to play again would be nice also.  

FormCritic wrote:Give me the giant modules any day.  G1, G2 and G3 were the best modules ever made.

Put them all together and I definitely agree.  A close second for me would be I7.

I would love to see either of the following:

- Beyond the World of Greyhawk.  A monster box set that describes all of the lands of Oerth south and west of the Flanaess that were never fleshed out.

- MERP First/Second Age.  Sourcebooks for Numenor, Beleriand, and Angband.  Books detailing cities and fortresses such as Nargothrond, Thangorodrim, and Gondolin.  Adventures during those ages including the battles against Morgoth.

And I wish that the following could just disappear:

- 30 Years of Adventure: A Celebration of Dungeons & Dragons.  This book should be redone for the 40th anniversary.  It should be twice as big and include references to other game companies besides TSR such as Judges Guild.  Make it Heroic Worlds with pictures.

- Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil.  I really like Monte Cook's work but this just seemed rushed to me.  Tharizdun deserves better than this.  

My vote for the single best RPG product ever made would definitely be Ruins of Undermountain!   Nothing before or since has ever been so exciting and fun for me.

The 1st Edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (gray box), Labyrinth of Madness, and City of Skulls are the runners up. I know it's heresy to some, but the 1st Edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting blows away even the old Greyhawk Folio as a setting, in my eyes!  

What I would love to have seen? The rest of Undermountain, developed as excitingly as the first box set! The second box set sucked beyond words, and they never developed it much after that.

Bah!

I'm developing it myself, as we speak!  

napoleonsdad wrote:My vote for best RPG product has to be The Keep on the Borderlands.  Non-complicated and lots of goblin and orc bashing.

I agree. Plus there's so much advice and rules on running the module that you can almost do it without having the game!