Aneoth wrote:I am not going to leave feedback until I know the items arrived safely. Why do the sellers wait? Do they think with my record I am going to flame them for no good reason? .
Aneoth wrote:It seems like the sellers are waiting for me to feed them first. It aint gonna happen.WHY?1) As a buyer your ONLY obligation is to send the money in a timely manner. Oh yeah........... communication too Thats it............2) As a seller your obligations are much more complicated; A) Honesty in conditionB) Honesty in shipping costs (Dont change it from what the listing states, after the auction is over)C) Shipping the item(s) in a timely manner once payment is recievedD) Shipping the item safely (Nothing chaps me more than spending big bucks on a rare D&D item (Such as an RPGA module) only to have the seller ship it in an uprotected 9" by 12" envelop for the mail person to bend in half to stuff it into the tiny mailbox)E) Oh yeah........... communication too I am not going to leave feedback until I know the items arrived safely. Why do the sellers wait? Do they think with my record I am going to flame them for no good reason? If so, then they must be worried about one of the choices above under Item 2). Perhaps it is for good reason that they wait for it.My granny often told me that if you cant say something nice, then dont say anything.
killjoy32 wrote:hey mike, its funny you should mention that post office thing.i sent a parcel to someone once a fair while back. after two weeks and four e-mails later, the woman got really pissed at me because the item had not got there. i had sent it recorded delivery!! anyway, once the period had elapsed so you can declare an item lost, i filled out the forms and made a claim to the post office for the parcel that had clearly gone missing.i had a friend who worked in the post office, so had him check into the matter for me. he got in touch with her local sorting office and lo and behold...their records showed that they tried to deliver it TWICE (even had the times written) and left notes for her TWICE too....she didnt come and collect the item, so after 14 days or whatever their period was ( i cant remember now), they returned it to sender (me).in the meantime, the post office sent me a claimed payment for the lost stuff and out of that, i refunded her payment and also told her about the above details...her reply? "oh right ummm was that what them notifications were for?" !!!! anyway i had a small amount left from the claim but it wasnt enough to cover my loss of items, but in the end, it got her out of my way - damn awkward woman to deal with ("i dont have this problem when i go into clothes shops" !!!! couldnt believe she said that to me)anyway about three days later, my parcel turned up back at my house!!!so i sold it on ebay again and it went for more than last time so it all worked out.Al
Kamelion wrote:In my experience the postal service here in the UK is very good. Not only do they leave notes if you are out, but they also leave notes if they leave the item at a neighbours for you (which sometimes happens). Furthermore, you don't even need to go to the post office to collect packages that you missed. All Royal Mail delivery notes have a phone number that you can call and arrange for delivery at your convenience. In short, these kinds of excuses are bullshit of the finest pedigree. And we have some very fine pedigree over here...
Kamelion wrote:It could well be a local thing. Our local postman is great and knows that I get packages from all over the place on a regular basis. So he is very conscientous. Maybe I'm just lucky I did have an experience like Killjoy32 mentions, but with a UPS courier. I phoned his depot and raised some hell (as the item in question was a $3000 dollar custom bass guitar I had shipped back to the manufacturer in California for repair). It arrived again the next day without a hitch.
Gus Landt wrote:As a frequent buyer & seller, I strongly believe that the buyer should leave feedback first. A buyer has 2 responsibilities: To pay within a reasonable amount of time, and to calmly discuss any problems with the product. A seller has no idea a buyer will fulfill the second half of their responsibilities when the buyer pays.1) Seller lists auction with clear and accurate description.2) Buyer wins and pays in a reasonable time.3) Seller packages carefully, ships promptly, and doesn't overcharge for shipping4) Buyer receives package and calmly discusses any problems with the Seller5) Seller fixes any problems (i.e. partial/full refund or replacement)6) Satisfied Buyer leaves feedback7) Satisfied Seller leaves feedbackIMHO, that is the way it should work.
bclarkie wrote:To play devil's advocate though, you are assuming that the seller is being honest in his description and is doing all the things that a seller should do. What if the seller is an ass hat who lies in his descripitions, extremely overcharges for shipping and ships everything in a plain manilla envelope with no protection. Then, when the buyer complains about it, the seller tells him to go sh*t in his hat and he is not doing anything about it and if the buyer leaves the seller a neg then the buyer can expect a neg in return. Is that any more fair then the buyer extorting feedback from the seller? I mean, Cougar pretty makes a full time living off of my what if situation.
6) Disatisfied Buyer leaves negative feedback7) Satisfied Seller leaves positive feedback
Beyondthebreach wrote:.........If you wait for the buyer, then you are essentially saying - "I will get back at you with a retalitory neg if you say a negative thing about me!"