sleepyCO wrote:All I ask is . . . . . . think about it.
sleepyCO wrote:Remember this, when you hear about global "Warming" :[1] Just remember that many of the same people who are now yelling about global "warming" . . . were the same people and organizations who were yelling about global "COOLING" in the 1970's, an "inconvenient fact" that many of those on the "pro-'warming' " side want all of us to ignore or forget.And . . . [2] If it wasn't for global warming over the last several thousand years . . . many of us in the northern half or so of North America and Europe would be under several thousand feet or so of ICE. And, there weren't any cars, smokestacks, etc. for almost all of that time.All I ask is . . . . . . think about it.
bombadil wrote:I wonder who those people are. Universally, my experience in talking to the local Inuit in Greenland is that they're really upset about climate change. Losing your village in a landslide that sweeps it into the ocean or to a raging river flowing out from under the Inland Ice, or from a lake on top of the ice that has breached its natural levee are not things taken lightly among the people I know up there.Wall Street Journal, eh?
For Icy Greenland, Global Warming Has a Bright Side By Lauren Etter QAQORTOQ, Greenland -- Stefan Magnusson lives at the foot of a giant, melting glacier. Some think he's living on the brink of a cataclysm. He believes he's on the cusp of creation.The 49-year-old reindeer rancher says a warming trend in Greenland over the past decade has caused the glacier on his farm to retreat 300 feet, revealing land that hasn't seen the light of day for hundreds of years, if not more. Where ice once gripped the earth, he says, his reindeer now graze on wild thyme amid the purple blooms of Niviarsiaq ...
DEBATING GLOBAL WARMINGGlobal Warming SkepticsAre Facing Storm CloudsBy ANTONIO REGALADOStaff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNALA big flap at a little scientific journal is raising questions about a study that has been embraced by conservative politicians for its rejection of widely held global-warming theories.The study, by two astronomers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, says the 20th century wasn't unusually warm compared with earlier periods and contradicts evidence indicating man made "greenhouse" gases are causing temperatures to rise.Since being published last January in Climate Research, the paper has been widely promoted by Washington think tanks and cited by the White House in revisions made to a recent Environmental Protection Agency report. At the same time, it has drawn stinging rebukes from other climate scientists.This week, three editors of Climate Research resigned in protest over the journal's handling of the review process that approved the study; among them is Hans von Storch, the journal's recently appointed editor in chief. "It was flawed and it shouldn't have been published," he said.
bombadil wrote:...There was a pile of heads stacked up around me at the end of every day. Very cold work. No gloves, blowing snow, bloody knife handle slippery as hell...
bombadil wrote::lol: There's a lot more to tell from that little adventure. Ahhh, the frozen north. So rich in experiences, and vastly under-appreciated. Kind of like Philly.
Badmike wrote:Like the Kennedy assassination, it's going to take decades for screaming fanatics on both sides to finally calm down enough to look at the problem objectively.... Mike B.
Keith the Thief wrote:Speaking of which, have you seen this book (tome?):Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi?I've always been fascinated by the JFK assassination. I went from being a conspiracy believer to a lone gunman believer to not really giving a rat's ass, but when I saw this 1600 [sic] page book devoted to proving the lone gunman hypothesis, I had to at least take a look. So I picked it up (and then put it down again due to upper body strain) and stood in B&N and read the first 20 ppg of 10-point font just standing there in the bookstore. I doubt I'll buy it (at $50), but it's worth taking a look at while you drink a $9 cup of coffee. The author does an incredible job of asking very fundamental questions that have simply been ignored for the last 40 years.Keith
bombadil wrote:Heh, that's funny. I know that guy. I did some work for him many years ago. I helped out with his annual slaughter one year. My job was to take the heads coming out of a little chute in the side of the slaughter house, lay them up on a stantion, upside down, pull back the mandible, cut it loose, and cut out the tongue. There was a pile of heads stacked up around me at the end of every day. Very cold work. No gloves, blowing snow, bloody knife handle slippery as hell. He was also on an episode of Lonely Planet shot in Greenland. He's from Iceland, incidentally. He lives way down on the southern tip of Greenland, near Cape Farewell. We almost went down at sea together in a terrible storm while navigating Bredefjord in his little boat. Quite a ride. Yeah, I'm sure there are many up there who are glad to see it warming up, for whatever reasons, but I haven't met any traditional natives who feel that way.Thanks for the clips, Mike!
Badmike wrote:Bugliosi did a fantastic job of pure RESEARCH, something a lot of the conspiracy freaks seem to forget in their zeal to blame Cuba, the Russians, the Mob, Nixon, whoever. You gotta appreciate the sheer volume of time Bugliosi put into this study. I flipped through it..just the appendices and index alone is bigger than some books. Too bad it took this long to come out with what may be the definitive work on this moment in history...but I guess with time comes perspective.Mike B.
Keith the Thief wrote:I'm sure Bugliosi will have numerous detractors, but I did like a couple of the points he made:Like why would Earl Warren, of Miranda fame, want to cover up the assassination of a Democrat by right-wing fanatics?Or, why no one seems to have bothered to check the Warren report's findings that a military-trained sharpshooter can indeed fire 3 accurate shots with a Mannlicher-Carcano in the required time span.Those are, of course, qualitative arguments and speculative at best, but they happened to catch my eye.Well, whatever the quality of the book turns out to be, at least it brings some balance to the study in the popular press.Keith
bclarkie wrote:Believe me, I wasn't offering any theories on it one way or another, I don't have a clue. I mean I have read all the theories up until now both for a conspiracy and against it just like eveyone else has, I just found it interesting that even today, now almost 45 years later and its still being studied and it seems that there may very well never be a concensous agreement on what really happened.