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Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:28 pm 
 

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If Clemens is found to have taken steroids or HGH during his career I hope that the commissioner bans him from the sport for life just as they did Pete Rose.  Keep him out of the Hall of Fame and take away his World Series rings and MVP honors.  Let him spend the rest of his life regretting that he ever did what he did.  Unfortunately the baseball commissioner is a crook and a liar and needs to be indicted himself.  He knew about all of these problems long before Jose Canseco and others brought it to the publics view and he didnt do anything about it then and most likely wont do anything about it now.



That Scumbag Selig? I'm surprised he hasn't appointed himself COMMISSIONER FOR LIFE yet. Don't be shocked when his ass ugly daughter takes over after he dies (cause that's the only reason he'll ever leave) to continue the "DYNASTY". No shock that baseball's problems started about the time they removed the impartial commish and appointed a hack mouthpiece whose own team has never won a thing in about 50 years.  I'm proud to say I haven't paid to see a baseball game in almost ten years, and won't for another ten if this goes on the same way.

Of course, a lot of that is directed towards our own hometown scumbag Tom Hicks (raising prices this year after not going to the playoffs in a decade is a classic) and the desire for him not to make one cent off me.  Really rather sad because going to baseball games was one activitiy we used to do as a family back in the 70s; now, paying $125 for a beer and a hotdog while sitting in the upper deck watching millionaires loaf around on the field just makes me sick....

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:41 pm 
 

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Of course, a lot of that is directed towards our own hometown scumbag Tom Hicks (raising prices this year after not going to the playoffs in a decade is a classic).


that wouldnt be the same guy who has a piece of liverpool football club would it? wow you wanna see the press he is getting here just now :D

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:44 pm 
 

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that wouldnt be the same guy who has a piece of liverpool football club would it? wow you wanna see the press he is getting here just now :D

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That's the guy. Don't tell me, he's not spending a cent on the team yet raising prices.....

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:23 pm 
 

These are the owners give baseball owners a bad name.
They are also the ones people should get mad at instead of cursing out Steinbrenner and my Yankees for "buying" championships.

You can say alot of bad things about the Boss, and most of them are true.  But you've gotta give him credit for investing a  ton of money back into his team.  He aggressively goes out and spends cash for the big time players.  And it matters to him that they win.

Seems to me alot of smaller market owners just don't care.  They take their share of the giant wad of subsidy cash the profitable teams like NY pay into the league for the purpose of keeping them competitive--- and stash it in their pockets!  Then they keep payroll low fielding lousy teams, and raise ticket prices.  They laugh all the way to the bank and everybody blames the big bad Yankees.  (or Angels, or Red Sox, insert wealthier big market team here)

  


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Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:19 pm 
 

Of course, a lot of that is directed towards our own hometown scumbag Tom Hicks (raising prices this year after not going to the playoffs in a decade is a classic) and the desire for him not to make one cent off me.  Really rather sad because going to baseball games was one activitiy we used to do as a family back in the 70s; now, paying $125 for a beer and a hotdog while sitting in the upper deck watching millionaires loaf around on the field just makes me sick....


I'm a little sympathetic -- after all, the Rangers have been horrible for a while -- but what are you going to do?

I mean, are prices to change year to year depending on if they were a good or bad team the previous season? What about inflation?

I don't think it's his fault that there are basically more people that want to go to the games than there are seats available. I mean the timing sucks, but it's really just supply and demand.

It may cost more, but relatively speaking, baseball is still a super cheap sport to enjoy as a family or otherwise.

  

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Post Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:04 pm 
 

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I'm a little sympathetic -- after all, the Rangers have been horrible for a while -- but what are you going to do?

I mean, are prices to change year to year depending on if they were a good or bad team the previous season? What about inflation?

I don't think it's his fault that there are basically more people that want to go to the games than there are seats available. I mean the timing sucks, but it's really just supply and demand.

It may cost more, but relatively speaking, baseball is still a super cheap sport to enjoy as a family or otherwise.


Prices vary from year to year based on many variables.  Inflation is just one of them.  Paying ridiculous amounts of money for one player is another.  Good teams, especially teams that year after year make the playoffs, normally have higher than average payrolls than teams that dont.  There are a few exceptions though.  Florida won two World Series with a very low payroll.  But just one year after their World Series wins they unloaded the majority of their star players because they couldnt afford them anymore.  The Cubs on the other hand have had very high payrolls the past several years and have nothing to show for it other than two playoff appearances that fell short.  Florida's ticket prices are very low while the Cubs are some of the highest ticket prices in the MLB.  But as far as the Rangers go, they are still near the bottom as far as ticket prices are concerned.  Their beer is more expensive than most other teams but they also serve it in 22 oz. cups while most other stadiums server theirs in smaller increments....with the exception of St. Louis which uses a 24 oz. cup....go figure.  :roll:

As far as supply and demand....have you been to a Rangers game lately?  They sell out of very few games.  With the exceptions of the large market teams like the Yankees and Red Sox and their division rivals they have a pretty hard time filling seats.  I went to a Rangers game last year against the Cubs and the Cub fans outnumbered the Rangers fans by more than half.  It was definitely a shock.  Yet when I went to see them play the Baltimore Orioles, only about 75% of the seats were filled.  No one wants to see the Rangers.

It is definitely cheaper than seats at an NFL game, I will give you that.  Someone that goes to NBA and NHL games might be able to tell me if they are cheaper on the average than baseball games or not.  I would expect them to be.  They are also more entertaining for the most part...unless their is a bench clearing brawl because a pitcher beaned a batter or something like that.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:00 am 
 

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Prices vary from year to year based on many variables.  Inflation is just one of them.  Paying ridiculous amounts of money for one player is another.  Good teams, especially teams that year after year make the playoffs, normally have higher than average payrolls than teams that dont.  There are a few exceptions though.  Florida won two World Series with a very low payroll.  But just one year after their World Series wins they unloaded the majority of their star players because they couldnt afford them anymore.  The Cubs on the other hand have had very high payrolls the past several years and have nothing to show for it other than two playoff appearances that fell short.  Florida's ticket prices are very low while the Cubs are some of the highest ticket prices in the MLB.  But as far as the Rangers go, they are still near the bottom as far as ticket prices are concerned.  Their beer is more expensive than most other teams but they also serve it in 22 oz. cups while most other stadiums server theirs in smaller increments....with the exception of St. Louis which uses a 24 oz. cup....go figure.  :roll:

As far as supply and demand....have you been to a Rangers game lately?  They sell out of very few games.  With the exceptions of the large market teams like the Yankees and Red Sox and their division rivals they have a pretty hard time filling seats.  I went to a Rangers game last year against the Cubs and the Cub fans outnumbered the Rangers fans by more than half.  It was definitely a shock.  Yet when I went to see them play the Baltimore Orioles, only about 75% of the seats were filled.  No one wants to see the Rangers.

It is definitely cheaper than seats at an NFL game, I will give you that.  Someone that goes to NBA and NHL games might be able to tell me if they are cheaper on the average than baseball games or not.  I would expect them to be.  They are also more entertaining for the most part...unless their is a bench clearing brawl because a pitcher beaned a batter or something like that.


MLB is not even close in average ticket price to the other 3. NFL (~65), NBA (~60) and NHL (~55) are similar to each other while the MLB (~20) is closer to a third of the price for an average ticket. And the cheaper seats follow through on that as well. You can get LA Kings tickets (worse team in the NHL this year) for about $12 bucks. You can get LA Dodger tickets for as little as $4. The Lakers are $10 bucks for the cheapest ones. We haven't had an NFL team in 13 years, so I can't comment directly that, but the internets show the numbers I put for approx to be about right.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:36 am 
 

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:03 pm 
 

As far as supply and demand....have you been to a Rangers game lately?  They sell out of very few games.  With the exceptions of the large market teams like the Yankees and Red Sox and their division rivals they have a pretty hard time filling seats.  I went to a Rangers game last year against the Cubs and the Cub fans outnumbered the Rangers fans by more than half.  It was definitely a shock.  Yet when I went to see them play the Baltimore Orioles, only about 75% of the seats were filled.  No one wants to see the Rangers.


I was making a simplification. I know some seats are empty, but clearly the calculation is that the demand for games at this point is fairly inelastic. That is, total revenue will rise when they increase prices because quantity of games demanded won't go down all that much.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:48 pm 
 

Video of the new track from Duffy. Grreeeeaaaaaaaaaatttttt old style '60s arrangement.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2orthS3TQ

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:17 pm 
 

red_bus wrote:Video of the new track from Duffy. Grreeeeaaaaaaaaaatttttt old style '60s arrangement.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE2orthS3TQ

:D  :D


Pretty good video, don't know her though.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:21 pm 
 

She's from Wales.  And her album isn't out yet (March/April?).  
The dancing is what we call, northern soul - which is what they do up way up from where killjoy is from  :wink:


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:19 pm 
 

red_bus wrote:She's from Wales.  And her album isn't out yet (March/April?).  
The dancing is what we call, northern soul - which is what they do up way up from where killjoy is from  :wink:


Ahhh.... Well not sure Al's feet have caught on fire, but in those races he runs I'm sure its been close :)

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red_bus wrote:She's from Wales.  And her album isn't out yet (March/April?).  
The dancing is what we call, northern soul - which is what they do up way up from where killjoy is from  :wink:


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Post Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:54 am 
 

:lol:  'twas a compliment.  we have northern soul clubs here in London - they are great. One of your better exports I think :D

Here, for the benefit of our overseas members, is a wiki-page.

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Looks like a lot of fun and way overdue... thanks for the link!

  

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:21 am 
 

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Looks like a lot of fun and way overdue... thanks for the link!


yeah it looks like a fun film. i always liked the indy character, so lets hope this film does him justice. very long awaited and about the only film that my whole family likes collectively!

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:23 am 
 

Agent Cooper wrote:These are the owners give baseball owners a bad name.
They are also the ones people should get mad at instead of cursing out Steinbrenner and my Yankees for "buying" championships.

You can say alot of bad things about the Boss, and most of them are true.  But you've gotta give him credit for investing a  ton of money back into his team.  He aggressively goes out and spends cash for the big time players.  And it matters to him that they win.

Seems to me alot of smaller market owners just don't care.  They take their share of the giant wad of subsidy cash the profitable teams like NY pay into the league for the purpose of keeping them competitive--- and stash it in their pockets!  Then they keep payroll low fielding lousy teams, and raise ticket prices.  They laugh all the way to the bank and everybody blames the big bad Yankees.  (or Angels, or Red Sox, insert wealthier big market team here)


Without getting into "why everyone hates the Yankees" debate, the reason is fairly simple. Ability to spend.

I love it when Yankee-fan chastises small-mark fan because their team can't spend $250 million on payroll per year. Do some owners abuse the system - certainly - look at the Marlins for one. But don't play the tired old song of Yankee superiority.


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:17 pm 
 

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Without getting into "why everyone hates the Yankees" debate, the reason is fairly simple. Ability to spend.

I love it when Yankee-fan chastises small-mark fan because their team can't spend $250 million on payroll per year. Do some owners abuse the system - certainly - look at the Marlins for one. But don't play the tired old song of Yankee superiority.


I'm a Yankee hater (why not). But I think Yankee's fans are caught up in the same hell as the Cowboys fans of the 70s or even Patriots fans now:  If you don't win the superbowl, the season is a failure. QB Danny White, a really great QB that holds most of the Cowboys records (over both Staubach and Aikman) is looked upon as a failure because he simply didn't get the Cowboys to a superbowl in the 80s.  

Everyone now wants the Yankees to fail because they are the big bullies on the block....let's face it, they have never been the underdog, and America loves the underdog.  So if they keep spending a quarter ofa billion dollars a year on payroll and can't win a World Series (note: not even PLAYING in a World Series is enough anymore; it's win or nothing) I predict a slow and steady erosion of the fan base and the support, and even the luster of the Yankees will be tarnished eventually.   Be honest if you are a Yankee's fan have you ENJOYED the last seven years?  Hell no, because you've been picked to win the series every year and then lost in the playoffs.

The best thing that could happen is for Steinbrenner to kick off, someone else take over the team, and have them miss the playoffs the next few years and rebuild.  The Yanks had their most success when they built from within using their farm system and created a lot of home grown heroes....not hiring aged, overpaid and roided up uber free agents that have done nothing the past few years (note that done nothing means haven't won the series, which is all this team has on it's agenda).  

One of my best friends from high school, who I still know, was a band wagon jumping Yankee's fan during the great teams of the 70s, and still is now.  I have to say the last few years have beaten him down immensely.  Is it much fun to be a Yankee's fan lately?  I can't imagine it is.  Since 2001 they have lost two World series, one to the upstart Marlins, and pulled the greatest choke job in MLB history by losing to their arch enemy Red Sox in the 2004 playoffs.

Oh, and as a Texas Rangers fan: YOU WILL NEVER WIN A THING WITH A-FRAUD ON YOUR TEAM!!!  The man is the least clutch, most choking major leaguer in history with HOF stats.  He is the biggest stats-padder in baseball history....he gets all his stats in non-essential, meaningless late season contests when no pressure is on him.  He is such the antithesis of Yankee greats like Mantle, Munson, etc.......you guys have doomed yourself by hitching a wagon to his over-egoed career.  Dump him and you may win a series someday.

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well the mets are still my team anyway, so whatever :)

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