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Post Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:37 pm 
 

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I hate the Giants, but it does make my year to see that piece of crap not get another ring....

Although I thought he did hug Coughlin at the end?

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Well, unless came out much later on, the last they showed of him was running off the field into the tunnel before the Giants even downed the ball with .01 second left.


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I hate the Giants, but it does make my year to see that piece of crap not get another ring....

Although I thought he did hug Coughlin at the end?

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:15 pm 
 

NE Patriots.....19 and 0ooohhh no! Hehe

Talk about choking at the last yard of the season!

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:25 am 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:Giants by 3. Like Joe Namath, I'll guarantee it.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:27 am 
 

well i have to say i wasnt bothered who won the superbowl but i enjoyed the game immensely.

that giants defence was just awesome. talk about raising your game! thats about as subdued as i have seen the NE offence. the giants looked like they were playing for their lives there.

manning i didnt think was that good, but it just seemed that when a pass was needed, he just about pulled it off.

that defence was the key to the game though.

awesome stuff all round and a real cool spectacle to watch. one of them "right down to the wire" games. i would take one of them anyday, rather than a one-sided walkover.

wow!

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ps. i also like to stay away from the term "perfect" too. once something is perfected, it doesnt feel the same no more. so now that is still there, its something for everyone to still aim for and there is still a record to beat.



  

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:23 am 
 

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that defence was the key to the game though.
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The defense should have received the MVP trophy, not Manning.  I mean, if you have to give it to one person, he was a good a choice as anybody, but it wasn't a far and away obvious choice.  Like Brady, he had some great passes and some bad passes.

I was hoping for a good game and some good commercials, and I feel like I got both.  Very fun evening all around. :)


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:38 am 
 

best player for me on the field was that defensive guy for the Giants, Shanahan. wow that guy worked his butt off - and at that age too, proved a shining example to pretty much anyone on the field, imho.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:50 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:best player for me on the field was that defensive guy for the Giants, Shanahan. wow that guy worked his butt off - and at that age too, proved a shining example to pretty much anyone on the field, imho.

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My brief impressions:

The Pats looked tired and worn out most the game...I think the pressure of being undefeated finally got to them.  In contrast, the Giants seemed to relish in their underdog role, and looked hungry.

Where was Randy Moss during the playoffs?  He was awful the last three games, and was nearly invisible in the SB. I know the other team's strategy is to double cover him, but he can't run an out, or any plays across the middle?  Waiting for the inevitable meltdown next year....this guy has NOT looked happy all during the playoffs, and with Welker catching more passes...well, Moss has never liked being #2.

The blueprint now is to put Brady on the ground, and he gets rattled.  Watch more teams to sell out on the blitz next year (very shocked they didn't do it more this year).  

I think we saw the advantage of playing in a tough division (Giants against the Redskins, Cowboys and Eagles) vs a soft divison (Pats playing three of the worst teams in the league twice each).  Once football scholars digest this shocking superbowl result, I think there will be a lot more critical assessment of the Pats undefeated season. They beat everyone in the NFC east, and teams like the Colts, Steelers, and Chargers, but I'm sure the infaliable press will find something they don't like about it.  

Now instead of basking in a 4th SB win, Bellicheat will spend the rest of the offseason battered by accusations he has been cheating for years (the recent allegations by the Rams that his minions filmed the final walk through before that superbowl), and second guessed by not kicking the FG on the 4th and 13 play.  If they didn't have the 49s first round pick he'd probably be roasted for that also.  I would add someone needs to look into the entire playoff run....it was very underwhelming.  Couldn't happen to a nicer guy....

Would you be 100% surprised if the Giants didn't even make the playoffs next year?  I wouldn't. I also wouldn't be surprised if Eli doesn't overwhelm in the future, although honestly he never had a lights out game during the playoffs anyway.  He seems to be turning into the kind of QB that doesn't necessarily win games, but doesn't make the mistakes that lose games.

So, Romo gets ripped for hanging out with Jessica Simpson the week before his playoff game......why doesn't Brady get hammered for spending the week with his supermodel girlfriend? I mean, obviously, that's the reason they lost.....

I was shocked to see the Pats defense disappear this game..they always seemed to come up with the turnover they needed at the exact right time during the regular season.

Anyone listening to Boston sports talk radio this morning????

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:27 am 
 

Nah, not worth listening to. I'm pretty much done with football anyways. There will always be chatter about cheating, who should have done what, etc.
For a team to go 18-0 in a salary cap era is unthinkable, yet they aren't considered the best team ever? The Rams "knew" the Pats cheated but waited 7 years and announce it the day before the Bowl, along with 30 other teams who claim they saw cheating? MANNING gets the MVP, the guy who coughed up the ball twice and looked like a pigeon in a flock of eagles? Was I the only one who saw Toomer keep them alive, or felt that the defense saved Manning's ass?
I am seriously entertaining thoughts that the league is fixed. Goodell burns the "Spygate tapes", and won't give out any more info, obviously because the stuff on those tapes and the tapes from all the other teams is so incriminating it makes MLB steroids look like pop rocks.
Either way, I saw the best team the NFL ever had. No need to watch any more.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:30 am 
 

Quote of the Year:

"We're only going to score 17 points?" Brady said before chuckling about it. "OK. Is Plax playing defense? I wish he had said 45-42 and gave us a little credit for scoring more points."

I wonder if Tom's bitch ass wishes they actually scored 17 points in this game :cheers: .


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:46 am 
 

On a more important note, anyone realize bush is trying to push a 3 TRILLION dollar budget? This was the guy who said he would REDUCE the deficit. He was the first to break 2 trillion. Seems he wants to go out with a bang.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:23 pm 
 

The Pats looked tired and worn out most the game...I think the pressure of being undefeated finally got to them.  In contrast, the Giants seemed to relish in their underdog role, and looked hungry.


I disagree. I think the Giants just match up well against the Pats and they couldn't handle the pass rush.

Where was Randy Moss during the playoffs?  He was awful the last three games, and was nearly invisible in the SB. I know the other team's strategy is to double cover him, but he can't run an out, or any plays across the middle?  Waiting for the inevitable meltdown next year....this guy has NOT looked happy all during the playoffs, and with Welker catching more passes...well, Moss has never liked being #2.


I think Moss is okay with that so long as the team wins. His attitude after the game was fairly classy. Still, though, you have to think NE has to find ways to get him the ball.

The blueprint now is to put Brady on the ground, and he gets rattled.  Watch more teams to sell out on the blitz next year (very shocked they didn't do it more this year).  


Not sure your point here. Every GM in the league knows that games are won in the trenches and getting a great D-line is obviously key to that. The problem is actually getting that talent.

Teams can't blitz effectively against the Pats because Brady is incredibly good at picking it up. Just look at Jacksonville and other great defenses that the Pats shredded trying to do that. The Ravens were the only team that mixed up their blitzes well enough to confuse Brady.

As I recall, the Eagles and Giants were effective against the Pats because they could get Brady on the ground or under pressure by only rushing 3 or 4. This in turn allows them to double Moss without getting into too much trouble. Sure, blitzing was used occasionally, but that wasn't the key to their success.

I think we saw the advantage of playing in a tough division (Giants against the Redskins, Cowboys and Eagles) vs a soft divison (Pats playing three of the worst teams in the league twice each).  Once football scholars digest this shocking superbowl result, I think there will be a lot more critical assessment of the Pats undefeated season. They beat everyone in the NFC east, and teams like the Colts, Steelers, and Chargers, but I'm sure the infaliable press will find something they don't like about it.  


I disagree. The Bills, regardless of record, give a tough test week and week out (like the Ravens and Titans, for example). They play hard. That NE blowed them out was a testament to how great the Pats were playing. And sure the Dolphins suck, but overall, the Patriot's schedule was pretty tough. Moreover, it wasn't as if they were narrowly beating teams, they were destroying them (except the Colts).

The '72 Dolphins, for example, played only a few teams over .500 and were even a superbowl underdog.

Would you be 100% surprised if the Giants didn't even make the playoffs next year?  I wouldn't. I also wouldn't be surprised if Eli doesn't overwhelm in the future, although honestly he never had a lights out game during the playoffs anyway.  He seems to be turning into the kind of QB that doesn't necessarily win games, but doesn't make the mistakes that lose games.


True, but you could probably say that about every team. On paper, however, I think their odds of making the playoffs are pretty good if you factor in Bradshaw's and Smith's development, and Eli's maturity.

The Giants aren't the best team in the league, but they match up perfectly against the Pats and would probably take 6 or 7 out of 10.

I was shocked to see the Pats defense disappear this game..they always seemed to come up with the turnover they needed at the exact right time during the regular season.


Giving up 17 points is not really why they lost. I thought they tackled pretty well and made a few plays. In fact, that is a typical defensive game for the Patriots (17.1ppg, 4th overall). They lost because they couldn't score.

  

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 Where was Randy Moss during the playoffs?  He was awful the last three games, and was nearly invisible in the SB. I know the other team's strategy is to double cover him, but he can't run an out, or any plays across the middle?  Waiting for the inevitable meltdown next year....this guy has NOT looked happy all during the playoffs, and with Welker catching more passes...well, Moss has never liked being #2.  


I think Moss is okay with that so long as the team wins. His attitude after the game was fairly classy. Still, though, you have to think NE has to find ways to get him the ball.


I can't believe they don't have an out, or a hook, or an across the middle play for Moss? Every single play to him seems to be a home run ball to gain 50+ yds and/or a TD.  Seeing as how he was shut down not once, but for the entire playoffs (he had what, 7 catches in three games?) tells me that teams are conceding passes to Welker (who responded with some monster games) in lieu of having Moss get the home run ball.    If you look at Moss's history, he's never been a problem when his team is good...and the Pats were very good this year.  

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 The blueprint now is to put Brady on the ground, and he gets rattled.  Watch more teams to sell out on the blitz next year (very shocked they didn't do it more this year).  


Not sure your point here. Every GM in the league knows that games are won in the trenches and getting a great D-line is obviously key to that. The problem is actually getting that talent.

Teams can't blitz effectively against the Pats because Brady is incredibly good at picking it up. Just look at Jacksonville and other great defenses that the Pats shredded trying to do that. The Ravens were the only team that mixed up their blitzes well enough to confuse Brady.

As I recall, the Eagles and Giants were effective against the Pats because they could get Brady on the ground or under pressure by only rushing 3 or 4. This in turn allows them to double Moss without getting into too much trouble. Sure, blitzing was used occasionally, but that wasn't the key to their success.


Well, the key is to double Moss while also having an effective pass rush.  However, the Giants (and to an extent the Ravens) showed that you don't HAVE to double Moss every play if you can get to Brady....because no one can throw a 50 yd bomb when they are backpedaling trying to avoid a sack.  In those cases, a quick out or screen is called for, and honestly I rarely saw the Pats use those in the playoffs to anyone but Welker..who killed teams doing this. I think you could go man to man with Moss if you effectively rush.
  By putting Brady on the ground, I mean just that....making sure you shove, push, run into, or yank Brady to the turf every play.  There are some QBs this doesn't seem to work against...Favre is one..but Brady seemed susecptible to being physically manhandled.  A lot of time, after plays where he ate dirt, he either rushed the next throw or threw an INT (the Cowboys game is one where this happened...he got flattened before his first INT, then threw a really bad quickie pass the next play).  This may be because Brady's physical health was a little more delicate than we were let on about, or that he just get nervous hearing footsteps, but it seemed something I would have tried had I been a team who was a massive underdog (like the Dolphins).  

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 I think we saw the advantage of playing in a tough division (Giants against the Redskins, Cowboys and Eagles) vs a soft divison (Pats playing three of the worst teams in the league twice each).  Once football scholars digest this shocking superbowl result, I think there will be a lot more critical assessment of the Pats undefeated season. They beat everyone in the NFC east, and teams like the Colts, Steelers, and Chargers, but I'm sure the infaliable press will find something they don't like about it.   


I disagree. The Bills, regardless of record, give a tough test week and week out (like the Ravens and Titans, for example). They play hard. That NE blowed them out was a testament to how great the Pats were playing. And sure the Dolphins suck, but overall, the Patriot's schedule was pretty tough. Moreover, it wasn't as if they were narrowly beating teams, they were destroying them (except the Colts).

The '72 Dolphins, for example, played only a few teams over .500 and were even a superbowl underdog.


The Pats division was putrid, and no other way to spin it, and that was a guaranteed six games on their road to being undefeated.  They remind me of the early to mid 90s 49ers who had a guaranteed 7-8 wins every year facing the likes of the Falcons and other patsies in their division.

The Pats destroying teams I prefer to call "running up the score", which they were definitely guilty of in several games this year or no discernible purpose except to feed Bellicheat's ego.  A lot of teams in the NFL can beat the team by 4 TDs if they are throwing the ball ahead by 20 pts in the 4th quarter, or going for it instead of kicking a FG when you have 4th and 1 in the opponents red zone.  Much of the Pats dominance was showmanship...don't get me wrong, they are one of the ten best teams in NFL history, but it's not because they ran up the score against bad teams.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:21 pm 
 

The Pats division was putrid, and no other way to spin it, and that was a guaranteed six games on their road to being undefeated.  They remind me of the early to mid 90s 49ers who had a guaranteed 7-8 wins every year facing the likes of the Falcons and other patsies in their division.


I guess we'll have to disagree. I just can't see their overall schedule as being anything other than tough:

A) 2 games against a solid 8-8 Bills team
B) They beat every single elite team in the AFC.. Colts, Chargers, Pitt.
C) They beat the best team in the entire NFC.. Cowboys.
D) They also had to play the Eagles, Ravens and Giants... those aren't easy wins for anybody.. and it showed in the boxscore. The Ravens and Eagles are teams that were only very recently Superbowl contenders, and have a reputation for having a tough D.
E) They played a 10-6 Browns team that just missed the #6 seed
F) They played a 9-7 Skins team that made the playoffs

I count 11 tough games right there. Throw in 4 "easy" divisional games and a game against the Bengals (who happened to beat the #6 Titans).

In your view what makes their schedule easy? Just because they played 4 games against bad teams or because they didn't play every single good team in the NFL (which I guess only really leaves out Green Bay, Seattle, Jax and Tenn)?

By putting Brady on the ground, I mean just that....making sure you shove, push, run into, or yank Brady to the turf every play. There are some QBs this doesn't seem to work against...Favre is one..but Brady seemed susecptible to being physically manhandled. A lot of time, after plays where he ate dirt, he either rushed the next throw or threw an INT (the Cowboys game is one where this happened...he got flattened before his first INT, then threw a really bad quickie pass the next play). This may be because Brady's physical health was a little more delicate than we were let on about, or that he just get nervous hearing footsteps, but it seemed something I would have tried had I been a team who was a massive underdog (like the Dolphins).


I don't think Brady did a bad job, was not focused, or was injured. The pass rush was just relentless, which is how NYG beat the Pack and the Cowboys. I mean, just like Brady, Romo looked really uncomfortable back there getting hit so often in the 2nd half of that game.. And Romo looks like a Jedi in the pocket.

All these QBs were rattled by the Giant pass rush, missing open receivers even when there wasn't pressure.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:45 pm 
 

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And Romo looks like a Jedi in the pocket.



So is Jessica Simpson then Padme? Cause we all know what'll happen then to Romo's career. :lol:

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Sea-to-sky-games wrote: Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:21 pm

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The Pats division was putrid, and no other way to spin it, and that was a guaranteed six games on their road to being undefeated. They remind me of the early to mid 90s 49ers who had a guaranteed 7-8 wins every year facing the likes of the Falcons and other patsies in their division.  


I guess we'll have to disagree. I just can't see their overall schedule as being anything other than tough:

A) 2 games against a solid 8-8 Bills team
B) They beat every single elite team in the AFC.. Colts, Chargers, Pitt.
C) They beat the best team in the entire NFC.. Cowboys.
D) They also had to play the Eagles, Ravens and Giants... those aren't easy wins for anybody.. and it showed in the boxscore. The Ravens and Eagles are teams that were only very recently Superbowl contenders, and have a reputation for having a tough D.
E) They played a 10-6 Browns team that just missed the #6 seed
F) They played a 9-7 Skins team that made the playoffs

I count 11 tough games right there. Throw in 4 "easy" divisional games and a game against the Bengals (who happened to beat the #6 Titans).

In your view what makes their schedule easy? Just because they played 4 games against bad teams or because they didn't play every single good team in the NFL (which I guess only really leaves out Green Bay, Seattle, Jax and Tenn)?


The three teams in the Pats division were a combined 12-36, including a one win team that may have been the worst in the NFL this year, and the Jets, which were pretty close to the 2nd worst team (although I might rate them ahead of the Chiefs or Raiders)---NONE of which had a winning record (the Bills were actually 7-9).  

On the flip side, the Giants divisional teams were 30-18, and had THREE playoff teams from their division.  The worst team in the division was 8-8 and had been to the superbowl in the last two years. I was talking about divisional schedule, not overall, and by any quantifiable measurement the NFC east was much tougher than the AFC East.

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:09 pm 
 

The three teams in the Pats division were a combined 12-36, including a one win team that may have been the worst in the NFL this year, and the Jets, which were pretty close to the 2nd worst team (although I might rate them ahead of the Chiefs or Raiders)---NONE of which had a winning record (the Bills were actually 7-9).  

On the flip side, the Giants divisional teams were 30-18, and had THREE playoff teams from their division.  The worst team in the division was 8-8 and had been to the superbowl in the last two years. I was talking about divisional schedule, not overall, and by any quantifiable measurement the NFC east was much tougher than the AFC East.


Fair enough. The Cowboys/Giants have a much more difficult division than the Pats. And this is probably why we'll see the Pats in the playoffs for the next year or two.

  

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Since the Pats lost, you now have my permission to enter my wonderful city for Gencon 2008.  But watch yourself!!!

And if you choose to wear a Pats jersey, you can expect that jersey to be booed.  You, yourself, will be welcomed to the city - the jersey may be taken from you forcibly and burned.  But once that's over, it's like "hey enjoy the great city of Indianapolis."

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Post Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:57 pm 
 

Evening guys, sorry if this is the wrong spot to post, but I thought as it is the OT thread.... (despite talking of loads of american footie which I have been out of touch with for some time)

But anywho, are there many Aussie gamers/members here? I ask as I will be emigrating at some point in the foreseeable and it would be interesting to know if the AD&D world has much of a grip in Oz. From what I've seen, the UK views it as a 'geek' or devil worshipping culture but I don't know about the Aussies....

Maybe if I land in a similar area, we could even hook up for a game??  :)

As a result, I've been buying up some old stuff from sellers here and ebay to help build up a more complete world for me to create when things settle down as I suspect it may be harder to buy stuff over there due to shipping etc...?


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