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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:18 am 
 

Kingofpain89 wrote:Too bad Georgia and LSU are in the same conference.  In my opinion they are the only two teams that really deserve a shot at the national championship.


Hear, hear!

The thing that bugs me is that the ranking system appeared to change on the last week of voting.  Up until the last week, voters were mainly considering records whether teams were playing quality teams or not.  Then, the last week voters looked at the quality of the teams.  Using the earlier system, LSU or Viginia Tech would have never jumped Georgia.  And using the last week's system, Kansas or Missouri would have never been top five to begin with.  The voters were inconsistent in their voting method.

I agree that LSU is the best team out there and they'll likely win over Ohio State like Florida did last year.  The Big Ten is not that good this year.

The BCS is only good for one thing and that's picking the best team in the nation, but it doesn't even do that very well.  The BCS system needs to be scrapped in favor of an eight team playoff system.  That way, at least the number nine and ten teams would be unhappy instead of the number three and four teams.  Just use the existing top seven bowls and start the playoff in mid-December.  And if you eliminate the conference championship games, it's only one more game per season for the top two teams!  Plus, it punishes pansy scheduling.  The College Basketball Playoff system has certainly resulted in more challenging season schedules.  Finally, rotate the top four bowls for the national championship and voila!


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:02 am 
 

benjoshua wrote:Plus, it punishes pansy scheduling.


It seems really stupid for top tier teams like Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Michigan to be playing teams like Appalachian St., Troy, and North Texas.  In some cases I understand that teams want to play other teams within close proximity of their schools.  But in the long run it seems that playing such a team does nothing but pad their record.  Ohio State may only have one loss but when you see that they played Youngstown St., Troy, Akron, and Kent St. you gotta think...well no wonder they only lost one game.  :?

One of the things I always hear from Big Ten fans is that their conference needs a championship game similar to the SEC, Big 12 and the ACC.  So even if they dont play every team in their conference they at least get one additional game that decides between the two best teams in their respective divisions.  That and maybe it will quiet down the whining that there is too much time between Ohio State's last game against Michigan and the BCS Championship and they are rusty and that is why they got beat so bad last year against Florida.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:15 am 
 

You know if you are going to rip OSU for scheduling crappy teams at least know who these other teams that you are defending are scheduling before doing so. Yeah, OSU played some crappy teams, but who wants to guess who had such perennial national powers such as Middle Tennessee, Tulane and Louisiana Tech on thier schedule this year? Was it OSU or one of its weak sister Bug Ten teams? No, it was none other that the superpowerful always playing an increadibly tough game week in and week out LSU.   I am really sick of reading all the SEC people spread this crap all based on the sole result of one game last year.  According to the "Experts" OSU had the 44th hardest schedule in the nation this year:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/polls/117

People from the SEC love to remember that Florida tore apart OSU last year, but the seem to have such a short memory when it comes to the fact that OSU played 99% of the game without their best offensive weapon in Ted Ginn Jr. and they also neglect to remember two other scores for last years bowl games:

Capital One Bowl
Wisconsin 17, Arkansas 14

Outback Bowl
Penn State 20, Tennessee 10

Yeah thats right that same shitty Big Ten that all the SEC fans love to cry about finished 2-1 against them in bowl games last year and anyone who actually watched the Penn St.-Tennesee game knows that game wasn't really as close as the final score was.  So please spare me the "weak Big Ten" crap, it has absolutely zero bearing in reality.


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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:32 am 
 

benjoshua wrote:
Hear, hear!

The thing that bugs me is that the ranking system appeared to change on the last week of voting.  Up until the last week, voters were mainly considering records whether teams were playing quality teams or not.  Then, the last week voters looked at the quality of the teams.  Using the earlier system, LSU or Viginia Tech would have never jumped Georgia.  And using the last week's system, Kansas or Missouri would have never been top five to begin with.  The voters were inconsistent in their voting method.

I agree that LSU is the best team out there and they'll likely win over Ohio State like Florida did last year.  The Big Ten is not that good this year.

The BCS is only good for one thing and that's picking the best team in the nation, but it doesn't even do that very well.  The BCS system needs to be scrapped in favor of an eight team playoff system.  That way, at least the number nine and ten teams would be unhappy instead of the number three and four teams.  Just use the existing top seven bowls and start the playoff in mid-December.  And if you eliminate the conference championship games, it's only one more game per season for the top two teams!  Plus, it punishes pansy scheduling.  The College Basketball Playoff system has certainly resulted in more challenging season schedules.  Finally, rotate the top four bowls for the national championship and voila!


You'd think devising a college football playoff system was as arcane and intricate as learning quantum physics while trying to keep your 1st level thief alive in Tomb of Horrors.  All the teams playing the pansy schedules (and I followed Miami in the 80s, I know the jokes they had scheduled some weeks) would be shown for the frauds they are, while some teams with decent records still might catch lightning in a bottle. It's mindboggling that the colleges are so backward thinking and hidebound they are leaving a REAL championship (not the mythical one now) on the table as well as all that money they like to spend and spend and spend (ratings for an 8 team playoff?  Get out of here!!!).  All the arguements against a college football playoff have been debated and found seriously lacking intelligence....and then someone every other college sport seems to put a playoff together.  Maddenning. I used to think I'd see it in my lifetime, now I"m teetering on that opinion..

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:03 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:  So please spare me the "weak Big Ten" crap, it has absolutely zero bearing in reality.


The Big Ten is one of the top two conferences in America.  

Before their powerhouse teams beat each other every year during conference play, the Pac Ten and the Big Ten routinely provide 1/3 to 1/2 of the top-ranked teams in the country.  

While the Big Ten does have Northwestern, they make up for it by adding Penn State.  Even Northwestern has been to the Rose Bowl within recent memory.

The Pac Ten is possibly the most even conference in the nation, with USC dominating in the past few years, but also with programs at all 10 colleges that are routinely nationally ranked.

Between them, the two conferences are farm systems for the NFL, with the Pac Ten in particular spawning a host of the NFL's top quarterbacks and running backs.  (For instance, Washington...until the last few, troubled years...sent literally every starting quarterback to the NFL.  During their national championship year the UW senior class sent three quarterbacks to the NFL.)

The BCS broke up America's oldest, highest paying and most prestigious bowl game...the Rose Bowl.  That de facto national championship game used to be the highlight of the college football system.  (Of course, Easterners might have an argument with that...but there is no denying the national character of the Big Ten/Pac Ten showdown.)

The only benefit of the BCS system is that it is now theoretically possible for a Pac Ten team to win the national championship without a perfect record.  Previously, any blemish on a Pac Ten record ended that team's chance for top honors.  

Take, for instance the season when USC had only a tie (I believe it was with Oregon State) to blemish their record.  (The year Marcus Allen was a junior.)  They had pounded a list of the nation's other conference champions, including an absolute butt-kicking of Alabama...the team that was awarded the national championship.

In the sad year when BYU managed to finish 12-0 after beating 6-6 Michigan (in the Holiday Bowl)...Washington had only one loss (to Oregon State).  The Huskies were co-Pac Ten Champions.  By conference rules, the school that has gone the longest since a Rose Bowl appearance gets to go to the Rose Bowl.  #3 UW played #2 Oklahoma (the year Brian Bosworth was a sophomore or junior) in the Orange Bowl...and kicked their butts.  BYU was awarded the national championship.

Consider also the year that Big Ten Champion Penn State finished undefeated and beat a powerhouse Oregon squad in the Rose Bowl....but the national championship had already been awarded to Nebraska.

Anyway...given how stupid the BCS still is I would prefer to go back to the old days where Westerners ignored the national championship and focused on the Rose Bowl showdown.


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Post Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:48 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:03 am 
 

Badmike wrote:
The Pats are the only NFL team I watch nowadays with the express purpose of hoping for a season ending (or career ending, not picky) injury to either Brady or Moss...just to make the rest of the season somewhat interesting for us football lovers.

Mike B.


i think NE played damn well to beat the eagles and the ravens. they really had to pull out all the stops and then some there.

the ravens really did give them a pounding.

i think their game this weekend will be real interesting. i dont like the steelers but i do like watching their defence.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:14 am 
 

i've also been away for a lil while, but am kinda around now.

am back from australia and now deep in training mode for the MDS next april (here we go again).

hello bill, nice to see you round these here parts again chummer. when youre caught up, send me a PM dude.

just also wanted to say a huge THANKYOU to mike (improv) and brendon (addermcone), for being amazing hosts while i was over in oz. had an absolute blast and will get back over there next chance i can, sadly not til about 2010, as my schedule is now full til around then, though 2009 has a very outside chance, but i want to get back over to the US first and trek around there a little before i go back to oz.

too many things to do, so little time!

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:42 am 
 

Welcome back, Al.  Was beginning to wonder if they had poisoned you down there...island of ex-cons, you know.   :D


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:57 am 
 

Yeah, they're all criminals there.

I am beginning to hope NE loses a game soon. Tired of hearing all the hype about weaknesses, 16-0, blah blah blah. All I care about is Brady beating Manning's TD record. And winning the Bowl, of course.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:04 am 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Yeah, they're all criminals there.

I am beginning to hope NE loses a game soon. Tired of hearing all the hype about weaknesses, 16-0, blah blah blah. All I care about is Brady beating Manning's TD record. And winning the Bowl, of course.


tbh i am not really bothered if they win or lose.

i support the jets, so thats enough of that convo :)

i just like to see a really really close game. makes for a much more exciting spectacle. i thought the eagles and the ravens games gave us that and you saw NE really play for a change, not just this "well we turn up, throw the ball around and well, win" kind of thing.

i give them much more respect for squeezing through games like that than constant 40+ pts games where its just so one-sided i want to fall asleep.

thats just how i see it though. :)

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:08 am 
 

bombadil wrote:Welcome back, Al.  Was beginning to wonder if they had poisoned you down there...island of ex-cons, you know.   :D


hey chummer!!

nah i had a blast. shame i couldnt spend more time there really. so many places i wanted to go, but simply just didnt have the time.

thats a good thing as well though, because it will make me want to go again.

one of the highlights was playing co-op mode on the Xbox with brendon - that tom clancy's ghost recon. class game!!!! we had a right laugh doing that.

that and looking at his 14 brown boxes, and 10 white boxes or something like that :)

mike on the other hand, has his collection stored in shoe boxes, or under a table leg, balancing the table etc (snigger)

(only joking)

great guys and i enjoyed the time spent immensely.

specially stood in that valhalla shop with brendon ripping the piss out of the prices. each of us went over everything with a fine-tooth-comb to see who could come up with the item with the most ludicrous price.

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was a shame to come back home.

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:25 am 
 

You actually visited Valhalla Games (or whatever its full name is)?

Cool!  8O

I heard you can get a really nice B1 there for $8000.00.  (Dang plunging dollar!)


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:31 am 
 

FormCritic wrote:You actually visited Valhalla Games (or whatever its full name is)?

Cool!  8O

I heard you can get a really nice B1 there for $8000.00.  (Dang plunging dollar!)


nooooo it wasnt quite that bad.

the prices were rather silly and enough to snigger at, but nothing unrealistically extortionate.

the prices were high enough to put anyone with sense off buying them put it that way.

i think i saw a mono B1 (brendon will correct me) for about $75 AUD (appx $70 US) (i would have put this at about good condition)

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:41 am 
 

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i think i saw a mono B1 (brendon will correct me) for about $75 AUD (appx $70 US) (i would have put this at about good condition)

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Is there a color version of B1?


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:47 am 
 

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:50 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
that and looking at his 14 brown boxes, and 10 white boxes or something like that :)



Hold on a sec, Al...you mean you made it all the way down under, and Brendon didn't show you THE BELLA POVQ?  Son of a bitch, what a bummer!

Seriously, though, 14 brown boxes?  I've got some catching up to do.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:51 am 
 

Deadlord39 wrote: All I care about is Brady beating Manning's TD record. And winning the Bowl, of course.


Brady will do it, but with all of the personality of a shoe box.  I can't stand the guy...about as exciting as an ass full of pennies (not that I've tried that or anything  :D ).

Most exciting guy on that team is Wes Welker...fucking thrill to watch, even though I HATE the Pats.


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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:54 am 
 

serleran wrote:Yes


Well...goes to show that full color is not always an improvement.

By the way, didn't my Rose Bowl rant outrage anyone?  :evil:

I was expecting some sort of backlash.  8)

Were my arguments too logical and incontrovertible....or was it just that no one cared?  :x

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Post Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:03 pm 
 

Nah, Mark, I care.  Believe me.

But I agree with Brian on the Big Ten issue.  It's not just a matter of playing talented, well-coached teams.  It's a matter of the WAY those teams play, like hammering it up the middle week after week with a punishing running game, or trying to stop a punishing running game week after week with a squad of crushing linebackers.  

West coast football, college or NFL, has always been effeminate compared to midwestern football.


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