Old Random Thoughts or OT Chit-Chat Thread
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. Page 64 of 100123 ... 61, 62, 63, 64, 65 ... 9899100
Author

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 7942
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 19, 2021
Location: DFW TX

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:37 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Well, as a 30 year football fan, I can tell you I've never seen a better or more complete team.


You didn't watch a lot of football in the early 90s.  I never saw a better team than the Cowboys circa 92-95.  Never.  Not even the Steelers of the 70s or 49s of the 80s...the Pats of the early part of this century come closest, but they still lucked into a superbowl (the famous Tuck Rule game) and don't have any hall of famers besides Brady to hang their hat on every week.  Plus the Pats play in one of the absolute patsy divisions of the entire NFL, while the Cowboys have been stuck in the meatgrinder of the NFC east.  
  When watching the Cowboys games of the early 90s, you sat down and were assured of a few things:  Jimmy Johnson, Norv Turner, Dave Wannstaddt, Joe Avazzano and the rest were going to coach the pants off every opponent; Emmitt was going to get 100 yds and a couple of TDs, unless he mixed it up and got 150 yds or 3-4 Tds; 2. Irvin was going to make at least one clutch catch on third down for a first down every game, unless he decided to mix it up and do it a couple-three times a game; Aikman was going to be the model of efficiency and throw for 250 yds, no Ints, and like as not a couple TDs; the defense was going to bury whoever they played, and then send in their SECOND team in the second half to put flowers on the grave; there would be at least one or two time sucking drives that lasted 8-9 minutes that would start from the Cowboys 20 and grind downfield until Emmitt, Irvin, Harper or Novecek put it in the endzone, totally demoralizing the opponent until they just gave up around the 4th quarter; some kicker that the Cowboys had pulled in off the soup kitchen line was going to have a career year and hit everything he kicked right between the goal posts; and just for laughs, about twice a year the Boys would pull out one of their "special" games where something happened that you would remember forever, like Emmitt's classic last day of the season game vs the Giants in 1994.  Three hall of famers (four if you count Larry Allen, he should go in eventually also) and to top it off, they played in the TOUGHEST division in football in those days....the Giants and Redskins had already won superbowls in 90 and 91, and the Eagles were pretty good in those days also, then had to play the Favre led Packers or Young led 49s every year in the NFC championship game to get the right to go to the superbowl. Now THAT was a great team..... :D

Mike B.

On January 2, we saw another part of Emmitt Smith's heart, the chunk that drives him on the playing field. In the second quarter of the regular-season finale against the Giants, he suffered a separated right shoulder. The Cowboys needed the victory to win the NFC East championship and home-field advantage in the playoffs; Smith needed a big running day to ensure a third consecutive rushing title. But with the shoulder hurt, it made no sense for him to play anymore, at least not until the Giants closed to within 13-7 early in the third quarter. No way was he going to sit out, not if his team might lose. He told coach Jimmy Johnson to put him in. And make sure, he told Johnson, that he wasn't used as a decoy. He wanted the ball.

He got it. The game went into overtime. On the Cowboys' only possession in the extra period, he was involved in nine of 11 plays and gained 41 of 51 yards. He even stiff-armed Lawrence Taylor. With the bad arm. Eddie Murray finished the series with a winning field goal. Smith, who gained 168 yards and touched the ball 42 times running and catching for a club record, won the rushing title. "I had cartilage damage in training camp this year in my shoulder and I didn't want to go back in," strong safety Darren Woodson says, "and I was only practicing. I saw the pain he was in, and I expected him to sit out We've got a lot of competitors on this team, but he is probably the fiercest one. No question, be has the biggest heart here. He expects to win games and he doesn't expect anyone else to do it for him. Because he cares."

Thanks to television, the viewing audience was aware of Smith's game odyssey. But not the rest of the story.

In the locker room afterward, and during the ensuing flight home, Smith endured excruciating pain in his chest. During some of the late-game tackles, he had heard crackling sounds around his heart, like something was being crushed. Now, he thought he was having a heart attack. He was scared for his fife. He was given a painkiller, so he could sleep on the plane. But he would wake up and scream. "That dude was crying, man," says fullback Tommie Agee, a close friend. "It got to a point where I was hurting to see him hurting like that. But even my wife doesn't understand why we do play when we hurt. You get caught up in the heat of the battle and you tend to block out common sense. Guts and emotion take control of you. He would have sacrificed his arm to win."

When the team landed in Dallas, Smith went to the hospital for an overnight stay. He later appeared in three playoff games, including the Super Bowl, where he was chosen MVP (132 yards rushing, two touchdowns). With a shoulder that required offseason surgery. "I didn't think I could damage it anymore, that's why I stayed in the Giants game," he says. "You have players relying on you. I didn't want to let them down. If I had sat out I probably wouldn't have needed surgery. But once you go back in, you are willing to accept the consequences.


"THE MORE YOU THINK ABOUT WHY i DONE WHAT i DONE THE MORE i LAUGH" Cougar
"The Acaeum hates fun" Sir Allen
"I had a collecting emergency" Nogrod
Co-founder of the North Texas RPG Con
http://www.ntrpgcon.com

 WWW  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 5613
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 15, 2021
Location: New Hampsha

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:01 pm 
 

Hmmmmm.

Aikman-----Brady.
Irvin-----Troy Brown. Or Moss. Or Welker. Pick one.
Sanders-----Samuel. Or Harrison. or Gay.
Emmitt----- No direct comparison. The Pats traditionally split running between 2 backs.
Defense burying opponents----- Ayuh. Covered.

I remember the Cowboys well. I also remember that Emmit did the work of 80 men, and if he fell it was lights out. We had a FULLBACK run it in for the FU TD (yes, I read the column!). The Cowboys had little depth back then, which didn't matter as much because injuries were not nearly as frequent. Players are bigger, stronger and faster; if you matched up the 90's Cowboys with the Pats today it would be a rollover.
However, Smith was one of the best who ever played. It really pained me that he accepted a pay cut to get that overrated stooge Sanders on the team. Plus, he can dance!


If you hit a Rowsdower, you get to keep it.

 WWW  


Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 6463
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
Last Visit: Dec 25, 2019

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:44 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Hmmmmm.

Aikman-----Brady.
Irvin-----Troy Brown. Or Moss. Or Welker. Pick one.
Sanders-----Samuel. Or Harrison. or Gay.
Emmitt----- No direct comparison. The Pats traditionally split running between 2 backs.
Defense burying opponents----- Ayuh. Covered.


8O
I don't even have a horse in this particular race, but I can't help but disagree on some of these.  I should also mention as being a Pittsburgh fan I have been on the wrong end of both of these teams at some point so I can say that I have some perspective.  Here goes:


Aikman-----Brady.  

As much as I hate Tom Brady, this is a fair comparison. Actually in the long run, Brady may even be judged the better of the two if not already.

Irvin-----Troy Brown. Or Moss. Or Welker. Pick one.

Ummm no and I hate Irvin the coke head.  Talent wise, Moss compares favorably, but Welker or Troy Brown, thats just a big NO.  Welker has been in the league 4 years now and he just had his first 100 yard receiving game ever this last week.  Not even in the same ballpark as Irvin. Troy Brown?  I actually really like Troy Brown.  Troy Brown is the type of player that wins you championships because of the things he does that no one notices. That said, talent wise he's not even the same ball park as Irvin.

Sanders-----Samuel. Or Harrison. or Gay.

Again I am anything but a Deion Sanders fan, as a matter of fact I think he is perhaps one of the most overated players of this generation.  That said, he is one of the better cover corners to ever play the game.  He wouldn't hit a 6 year old with no pads on, but he was a great kick returner and cover man. Unfortunately pro-football isn't played with flags around your waist so IMO I don't even think he should sniff the HOF.  Samuel hasbn;t been in the league long enough to effectively compare them.  He might end up being better overall, biut its too early.  Harrison is a big hitter, but has never been much of a cover guy and Gay is a solid player, but he doesn't affect the game the way Deion Sanders did.  No coach has ever game planned away from throwing at Randall Gay which can not be said for Deion Sanders.

Defense burying opponents----- Ayuh. Covered.

Dallas defense back in the early 90's was a difference maker. They won games when the offence had a bad game(including the 95 SB).  I think the Pats defense this year is actually the achilles heal of the team. Great coaching aside, the Pats defense is very beatable and I think the Cowboys help expose a bit that this week.  I mean its not like the Pats have played any real offensive juggernauts until Dallas and Dallas despite not playing all that great still scored 20 on them. I also think if Dallas would have run the ball more with Barber they would have been much better off.  Dallas has a nice team, but they match up horribly on defense against the Pats because of the shaky secondary versus the overpowering passing game of the Pats.  

I think a lot of people are handing the Lombardi to the Pats this year need to sit back and relax a bit.  Christ its 6 games into the season, just a bit early don't ya think.  A team that can run the ball effectively and play solid pass defense against the Pats are going to give them fits, trust me.  People have also kind of written off the Chargers already because of the bad loss in Foxboro, but I am not sure San Diego could have played much worse then they did that game.  It actually kind of reminds me of how poorly the Steelers played in Indianaoplis back in 2006. Needless to say we all know how that later playoff game turned out.  I won't be surprised at all if that happens to the Pats this year.  I also think that if Randy Moss gets hurt and is out for any signifigant amount of time, the Pats are going to be very vulnerable. Moss, love him or hate him, is why the Pats have done as well as they have this year so far.


"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Neitzche

  


Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 6463
Joined: Dec 13, 2004
Last Visit: Dec 25, 2019

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:50 pm 
 

One other thing about Brady that I forgot to mention is that he sure doesn't like to get hit. It seems like everytime some hits him, even if he has the ball he cries to the officials.  You'd think he has some sort of special rule for him, "Thou shall not hit Tom Brady". What a bitch.


"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Neitzche

  


Active Collector

Posts: 80
Joined: May 19, 2006
Last Visit: Aug 09, 2008
Location: Arkansas

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:05 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:"Thou shall not hit Tom Brady". What a bitch.


HA!

I have to disagree about Moss, though. The way Brady spreads it around, the loss of one WR won't hurt that much. Even if he is one of the top 3 in the league. Heck, he made Deion Branch a Super Bowl MVP! Stallworth is, alone, the best WR the Pats have had in a long while (Troy Brown, God love him, was a great player, but...). If they lose Brady, though... anyone know the back-up QB in New England? Matt Cassel. Yeah...

(FYI: Matt Cassel started ONE game in college. As a tight end. Seriously)


bombadil wrote:...There was a pile of heads stacked up around me at the end of every day.  Very cold work.  No gloves, blowing snow, bloody knife handle slippery as hell...

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 5613
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 15, 2021
Location: New Hampsha

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:41 pm 
 

I know Cassel quite well. I pray we NEVER lose him as a BU.
Who was Bledsoe's BU at NE? Hmmm.......... Wasn't he the guy no one knew?
Who was Bledsoe's BU at Dallas? Hmmm........Wasn't he the guy no one knew?
If you look at Brown's career, he has made more critical catches for the Pats than any other receiver I've seen play. He IS the 3rd down converter. It's so much more than talent; the guy plays cornerback fer chrissakes, and does it well!
I claimed before the Pats/Dallas game that the team who was coached better would win, and I think I was right. Kicking a FG in the 4th quarter, down by as much as they were, was basically throwing in the towel. And they abandoned a crushing run game which could possibly have been the breaker.  
The reason the Pats dominate is superior coaching. Take out Brady, and they'll do just fine.
I agree about the Lombardi. It's ridiculous to assume they will march through the playoffs and absurd to assume they'll be 16-0. There's the Jags, the Colts, the Cowgirls, the Steelers, and a few others who could win it all.
Shit, I fear Miami at home more than Dallas. We ALWAYS lose to them at home.


If you hit a Rowsdower, you get to keep it.

 WWW  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 7942
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 19, 2021
Location: DFW TX

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:46 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:
8O
I don't even have a horse in this particular race, but I can't help but disagree on some of these.  I should also mention as being a Pittsburgh fan I have been on the wrong end of both of these teams at some point so I can say that I have some perspective.  Here goes:


Aikman-----Brady.  

As much as I hate Tom Brady, this is a fair comparison. Actually in the long run, Brady may even be judged the better of the two if not already.


Stat wise Brady is much better. Troy excelled at NOT making mistakes...I believe his completion percentage in the playoffs is still a record, and he threw like 1, 2 INTs all time in the playoffs?  Brady can make yobboes like Troy Brown and Deion Branch into stars, while I don't think that was in Troy's nature, he was lucky he had Irvin.  In Dallas we had to put up with Aikman's bitching because he was so used to Irvin running the same route every time out he would get pissed when someone didn't run a route correctly.  I honestly don't think it bothers Brady that much.  Right now, Brady is a lock for the HOF based solely on the three rings, the stats he's amassing will just be icing on the cake.


Irvin-----Troy Brown. Or Moss. Or Welker. Pick one.

Ummm no and I hate Irvin the coke head.  Talent wise, Moss compares favorably, but Welker or Troy Brown, thats just a big NO.  Welker has been in the league 4 years now and he just had his first 100 yard receiving game ever this last week.  Not even in the same ballpark as Irvin. Troy Brown?  I actually really like Troy Brown.  Troy Brown is the type of player that wins you championships because of the things he does that no one notices. That said, talent wise he's not even the same ball park as Irvin.


I agree with BC here....Brady's talent is making the David Patten's of the world look good.  On any other team Wes Welker would be what he was in Miami, basically Wayne Chrebet.  There's a reason Irvin got into the HOF despite the personal issues, it's not just the three rings, it was a lot of intangibles. The one closest on the Pats in terms of attitude is Troy Brown, he could play on my team anytime. But talentwise, you could put them all in a box (including Randy Moss), shake and mix, and maybe you'd get someone approaching Irvin.  And BTW I'm not ready to annoint Moss yet.  He basically whined and faked injuries to get out of Oakland and ended up on the Pats...lucky him.  Something tells me if he'd ended up on the Bears, he'd have about 20 catches, three TDs, and a "pulled hammy" that keeps him out of practice.  His mental attitude is crap, and woe to the Pats if they ever stop losing or he goes a couple games without getting the ball thrown is way every series.

Sanders-----Samuel. Or Harrison. or Gay.

Again I am anything but a Deion Sanders fan, as a matter of fact I think he is perhaps one of the most overated players of this generation.  That said, he is one of the better cover corners to ever play the game.  He wouldn't hit a 6 year old with no pads on, but he was a great kick returner and cover man. Unfortunately pro-football isn't played with flags around your waist so IMO I don't even think he should sniff the HOF.  Samuel hasbn;t been in the league long enough to effectively compare them.  He might end up being better overall, biut its too early.  Harrison is a big hitter, but has never been much of a cover guy and Gay is a solid player, but he doesn't affect the game the way Deion Sanders did.  No coach has ever game planned away from throwing at Randall Gay which can not be said for Deion Sanders.


Ditto. Although I actually believe Deion will get into the HOF someday, he may be overrated but the guy is a self promoter of the highest order, and being in the media now gives him the platform to tout his "skills". Typically, anyone you have to game plan for and that changes the nature of the game, gets in (except for Bob Hayes..don't EVEN get me started there...should be in the HOF hands down...). Don't forget Deion's return ability, he wasn't Devin Hester (who is) but was close in that if you kicked it right to him, you were going to be staring at his back as he cruised to the endzone.

Defense burying opponents----- Ayuh. Covered.

Dallas defense back in the early 90's was a difference maker. They won games when the offence had a bad game(including the 95 SB).  I think the Pats defense this year is actually the achilles heal of the team. Great coaching aside, the Pats defense is very beatable and I think the Cowboys help expose a bit that this week.  I mean its not like the Pats have played any real offensive juggernauts until Dallas and Dallas despite not playing all that great still scored 20 on them. I also think if Dallas would have run the ball more with Barber they would have been much better off.  Dallas has a nice team, but they match up horribly on defense against the Pats because of the shaky secondary versus the overpowering passing game of the Pats.  


The Pats defense does compare favorably.  I like a lot of the stuff they do and they have a level of competence the Cowboys had, where you didn't really have any superstars (maybe Darren Woodson and Charles Haley) but a lot of above average, extremely competent guys out there just making plays.  Then there were guys like Larry Brown (SB 95 MVP, thank you Neil) and Chad Hennings who seemed to play up to the skill level around them and became better players because of it.

I think a lot of people are handing the Lombardi to the Pats this year need to sit back and relax a bit.  Christ its 6 games into the season, just a bit early don't ya think.  A team that can run the ball effectively and play solid pass defense against the Pats are going to give them fits, trust me.  People have also kind of written off the Chargers already because of the bad loss in Foxboro, but I am not sure San Diego could have played much worse then they did that game.  It actually kind of reminds me of how poorly the Steelers played in Indianaoplis back in 2006. Needless to say we all know how that later playoff game turned out.  I won't be surprised at all if that happens to the Pats this year.  I also think that if Randy Moss gets hurt and is out for any signifigant amount of time, the Pats are going to be very vulnerable. Moss, love him or hate him, is why the Pats have done as well as they have this year so far.


Ditto on Moss.  And Brady IMO is irrecplacable. He's on that sort of mindless zone that Peyton had the year he broke the TD record.  The man is a difference maker.

That's why I said I think there will be a mystery guest in the AFC playoffs this year, and it wont' be the Colts or Pats.  Maybe the Steelers or Chargers will step up....

Mike B.


"THE MORE YOU THINK ABOUT WHY i DONE WHAT i DONE THE MORE i LAUGH" Cougar
"The Acaeum hates fun" Sir Allen
"I had a collecting emergency" Nogrod
Co-founder of the North Texas RPG Con
http://www.ntrpgcon.com

 WWW  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 7942
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 19, 2021
Location: DFW TX

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:49 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:One other thing about Brady that I forgot to mention is that he sure doesn't like to get hit. It seems like everytime some hits him, even if he has the ball he cries to the officials.  You'd think he has some sort of special rule for him, "Thou shall not hit Tom Brady". What a bitch.


I think it's called the "Eli Manning" rule.  Ever see the way he screws up his face and pouts like he's calling for daddy when he takes a bad hit?

Mike B.


"THE MORE YOU THINK ABOUT WHY i DONE WHAT i DONE THE MORE i LAUGH" Cougar
"The Acaeum hates fun" Sir Allen
"I had a collecting emergency" Nogrod
Co-founder of the North Texas RPG Con
http://www.ntrpgcon.com

 WWW  

User avatar

Verbose Collector

Posts: 1879
Joined: Mar 26, 2004
Last Visit: Jan 19, 2021
Location: UK

Post Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:09 pm 
 

killjoy32 wrote:

ps. and fyi, i was ONE of the million trying to get a ticket, even though i hate both teams playing.


I tried as well, but I don't hate both teams! (I follow Miami so I shall say very little- oh dear!)


You can never have too much of something you didn't need in the first place.

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 8219
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Last Visit: Jun 12, 2017
Location: Wallasey, Merseyside, UK

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:30 am 
 

i still can't believe that dallas didnt run the ball more though. how can you not notice how effective it was being, against how ineffective the passing game was?

someday youre gonna have to explain to me, how the coaching staff cannot fail to see that.

up here in the cheap seats, i could see it a mile off. barber could have made massive yards all game imo. he really did look that good.

so who do you think in the remaining games, has a chance of breaching the NE defence effectively?

Al



  


Active Collector

Posts: 80
Joined: May 19, 2006
Last Visit: Aug 09, 2008
Location: Arkansas

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:06 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:i still can't believe that dallas didnt run the ball more though. how can you not notice how effective it was being, against how ineffective the passing game was?

so who do you think in the remaining games, has a chance of breaching the NE defence effectively?

Al


Do not question the genius of Wade Philips! [/sarcasm]

I don't know why they didn't run more. It may be the fact that there was little time left and Dallas had to score quickly and running the ball was taking up to much time. New England could have been conceding the run to protect the pass and this was why Barber looked so good. New England knew that they could allow Dallas to run the ball, but they could not score enough points to make a difference.

As far as a good opponent against the Pats, the Colts stack up the best. Both teams rely heavily on the offense winning the game for them and in a shoot out, I'll take Peyton Manning anyday. Also, the Pittsburgh defense is pretty damn good and could cause New England problems and they have a decent enough offense (Willie Parker).


bombadil wrote:...There was a pile of heads stacked up around me at the end of every day.  Very cold work.  No gloves, blowing snow, bloody knife handle slippery as hell...

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 8219
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Last Visit: Jun 12, 2017
Location: Wallasey, Merseyside, UK

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:50 am 
 

so ok. branching off a little.

of the teams NE have yet to play, who has a solid passing defence? i just think whoever has that, is going to limit their attacking options and make them do stuff that they dont really wanna. or will it just become a mental issue, like frank mentioned, miami going to NE....maybe miami are just a "write off" team just now, but the fact that they never lose at NE, might just have them thinking about that too much?

do you think favre and the GB offence might offer up a high scoring game?

i watched the dallas/NE game to about late in the 2nd quarter then had to go bed....sheesh, but even at that point, where NE only had 21 or so on the board, dallas had started to run the ball, as thats when barber did that amazing little run out of the end zone, so even at that point, it was effective. they could have easily applied it there, where there was still more than enough time in the game to do something about it.

what do you think will happen when they play again? same kinda game or a totally different outlook?

Al



  


Active Collector

Posts: 80
Joined: May 19, 2006
Last Visit: Aug 09, 2008
Location: Arkansas

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:14 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:so ok. branching off a little.

of the teams NE have yet to play, who has a solid passing defence?


Of their remaining games, I'd say Washington, Baltimore and Pittsburgh have solid defenses. Miami has some good players (Thomas, Porter, Taylor), but they are getting old. But if the wiley vets can get it together for one game, it'd be New England, so watch out...

killjoy32 wrote:do you think favre and the GB offence might offer up a high scoring game?


I like (or dislike) Favre as much as the next guy, but I really think Green Bay is winning by smoke and mirrors. Someone will show them up. But they have a favorable schedule, so they should be OK. They don't play New England this year...

killjoy32 wrote:i watched the dallas/NE game to about late in the 2nd quarter then had to go bed....sheesh, but even at that point, where NE only had 21 or so on the board, dallas had started to run the ball, as thats when barber did that amazing little run out of the end zone, so even at that point, it was effective. they could have easily applied it there, where there was still more than enough time in the game to do something about it.


DO NOT QUESTION THE GENIUS THAT IS WADE PHILIPS! :)

I don't know.. sometimes coaches get something stuck in their head and are pretty stubborn. In a shoot out, you gotta score points so maybe Philips wanted to rack up points quickly. Romo, Owens and Whitten are a pretty potent passing attack (when Romo doesn't throw 6 INTs). But yeah, running seemed like a good idea...

killjoy32 wrote:what do you think will happen when they play again? same kinda game or a totally different outlook?

Al


Dallas and New England? They won't play again... unless its the Super Bowl. And if they DO (I doubt it, tho), New England will beat them again (barring injuries). New England is the better team and they have experience in the Super Bowl...


bombadil wrote:...There was a pile of heads stacked up around me at the end of every day.  Very cold work.  No gloves, blowing snow, bloody knife handle slippery as hell...

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 8219
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Last Visit: Jun 12, 2017
Location: Wallasey, Merseyside, UK

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:38 am 
 

ah well whatever :)

now that the eagles have played the jets, i can start loving the jets again (mcnabb is my acaeum league QB) - would be nice to see the jets actually win a few games, though how the hell they are going to just now, i really dont know.

they really are having a bad time of it. personally i think pennington literally threw the game away against the eagles and didnt take advantage of anything.

Al



  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 5613
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 15, 2021
Location: New Hampsha

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:25 am 
 

Honestly, the team that will win against the Pats is not the team with the best pass defense. The passing is just too damn good. It will be the team that plays them when Brady has a meltdown day. He does have them occasinally, and he throws 3+ interceptions when he does. 95% of those games are losses.


If you hit a Rowsdower, you get to keep it.

 WWW  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 8219
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Last Visit: Jun 12, 2017
Location: Wallasey, Merseyside, UK

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:11 pm 
 

US guys...with all this talk of the NFL, i just thought i would fill you all in with what MY home sport is :)

i used to play Rugby League many moons back and imo, is one of the toughest sports out there, along with aussie rules. not that i am knocking the NFL of course, which IS tough....just giving y'all some perspective of what the NFL could possibly be like WITHOUT the padding :)

check these out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfenXfUUce4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkDUaPlKHp0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxkVJ07ftqw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsbJNtxHL0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhmYKux ... ed&search=

i would love to see a game played in both sports....one half of rugby league and the other american football. what an amazing match THAT would be :)

Al



  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 6720
Joined: Jul 16, 2005
Last Visit: Jul 24, 2020

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:50 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post ... =nfl,49465

Hilarious. No, they're not gunning for the Pats!


I have noticed a few quarterbacks not buckling their chinstraps...almost like a style fad for that position.

The thing is, the chin strap is not optional...the helmet becomes actively dangerous without the chinstraps secured.  I was wondering when someone was going to get hurt.


"But I have watched the dragons come, fire-eyed, across the world."

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 6720
Joined: Jul 16, 2005
Last Visit: Jul 24, 2020

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:02 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Hmmmmm.

Aikman-----Brady.
Irvin-----Troy Brown. Or Moss. Or Welker. Pick one.
Sanders-----Samuel. Or Harrison. or Gay.
Emmitt----- No direct comparison. The Pats traditionally split running between 2 backs.
Defense burying opponents----- Ayuh. Covered.

I remember the Cowboys well. I also remember that Emmit did the work of 80 men, and if he fell it was lights out. We had a FULLBACK run it in for the FU TD (yes, I read the column!). The Cowboys had little depth back then, which didn't matter as much because injuries were not nearly as frequent. Players are bigger, stronger and faster; if you matched up the 90's Cowboys with the Pats today it would be a rollover.
However, Smith was one of the best who ever played. It really pained me that he accepted a pay cut to get that overrated stooge Sanders on the team. Plus, he can dance!


Have to disagree with you on a couple of those.

None of those defensive backs exactly compares to Sanders.  Thing is, I don't rightly think of Sanders as a Cowboy per se.

Also, the real power of the Cowboys was not in Emmet Smith.  He would have been only an average running back except that he played behind a godlike offensive line.

Comparing the defenses is difficult.  I would give the edge to the Cowboys.

I do agree that 90s Cowboys versus the 07 Patriots would be a crush....with the Cowboys coming out on top.  Physically, there really isn't even much comparison...the Cowboys would walk on them.

As for comparisons of then and now....remember that the 90's were not long ago.  Dallas fans were angry that scandal problems prevented the team from drafting Moss.  Seau also played through that era as did many other currently active NFL players.

As for the coaching power of the Cowboys...remember that they had a Superbowl and a near Superbowl without those coaches.

Also, during the last Cowboys/Steelers Superbowl, Johnson was badly outcoached by Cowher.  The Steelers almost stole that game...and would have except that they were so physically overmatched.


"But I have watched the dragons come, fire-eyed, across the world."

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 7942
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 19, 2021
Location: DFW TX

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:19 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:
Also, during the last Cowboys/Steelers Superbowl, Johnson was badly outcoached by Cowher.  The Steelers almost stole that game...and would have except that they were so physically overmatched.


Actually that was Switzer that stole that SB ring, not Jimmy.  If Neil doesn't throw the two INTs, that game is quite different.   But I've watched that game, oh, about 20 times on tape.  There was a reason Larry Brown was where he was on the picks, and a reason Neil threw the two picks, and it has a lot to do with the defensive schemes the Dallas Defense ran that day, as well as the pressure on the QB.  If you listen to Larry Brown (the SB MVP, as well as being a local announcer here in the DFW area) he has said many times what looked like two "gifts" were the results of good game planning, including opposing team QBs being pathologically frightened of throwing to Deion Sanders side of the field and thus giving Brown a ton of good looks that season...he had 6 regular season picks that year as teams threw away from Deion. Brown contends to this day he was in position to pick the passes due to good game planning and coaching....who knows.

Mike B.


"THE MORE YOU THINK ABOUT WHY i DONE WHAT i DONE THE MORE i LAUGH" Cougar
"The Acaeum hates fun" Sir Allen
"I had a collecting emergency" Nogrod
Co-founder of the North Texas RPG Con
http://www.ntrpgcon.com

 WWW  

User avatar

Long-Winded Collector

Posts: 4745
Joined: Oct 31, 2004
Last Visit: Jan 18, 2021
Location: Garland, TX

Post Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:59 pm 
 

Neil O'Donnell...now there was a crappy quarterback.  I don't guess he ever recovered from that Super Bowl loss.  I figure he was better than Kordell Stewart though.

Bubby Brister....now that guy was clutch.   Wasnt it '89 when they went into Denver in the AFC Championship game and he brought them back to go ahead with about two minutes left on the clock and then Elway pulled off one of his miracle finishes?  I cant rightly remember exactly but I remember it was one hell of a game.


You don't like your job, you don't strike. You go in every day and do it really half-assed. That's the American way. - Homer Simpson

  
PreviousNext
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. Page 64 of 100123 ... 61, 62, 63, 64, 65 ... 9899100