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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:03 pm 
 

I use ebay a lot and I like it but there is a lot there that I just don't like.

There are so many 0 feedback users they cannot all be real. Half the items I am watching just now have a 0 feedback high bidder.

To add to that an item I have been interested in has just had the ID of the bidders hidden in the last 30 minutes. There is no need for the bidders ID's to be hidden especialy at this late date and it seems more than a little iffy.

I know they will never stop all dodgy business but why oh why is there any option to hide bidders ID's?

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:01 pm 
 

Bidder ID's are hidden and allocated numbers automatically on eBay.co.uk after the frice reached a certain value. I understand that it was tested in the UK first and is being rolled out throughout eBay.

Frank. When you sold Bryreville could you still see bidder's names while the rest of us could only see numbers?


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:19 pm 
 

I also thought that I read something about ebay UK making all bidders anonymous from the end of January.  Ho hum.

As for the zero-feedback high bidders, I suppose it's possible that they could be shills, but my ebay-fu is stil rather poor, so I dunno really.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:10 pm 
 

No more 'private' feedback either. All feedback is public.


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:27 pm 
 

lacedaemon wrote:There are so many 0 feedback users they cannot all be real. Half the items I am watching just now have a 0 feedback high bidder.

Well, if you're looking at a large group of item pages, doing a ton of research, etc., etc., then, yes, you're probably seeing some 0-feedback accounts that were created with less-than-good intentions.

Overall, though, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Like any huge internet presence, eBay generates a large number of new users every day — and these people have to start somewhere, right?

In my own experience, I've made a significant share of my sales to users with feedbacks of 10 or under. In many cases, they are actually the quickest group to pay, the friendliest to deal with, etc. However, the dark side is that they also represent the biggest share of pain-in-the-ass users. So, whenever I make a sale to a n0ObZoRz, I always take a deep breath and think, "Well, this could go either way." More often than not, though, I have a PayPal payment waiting for me within three or fours hours.

YMMV, of course. I'm just saying "zero" doesn't have to equal "bad."

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:50 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:Well, if you're looking at a large group of item pages, doing a ton of research, etc., etc., then, yes, you're probably seeing some 0-feedback accounts that were created with less-than-good intentions.

Overall, though, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Like any huge internet presence, eBay generates a large number of new users every day — and these people have to start somewhere, right?

In my own experience, I've made a significant share of my sales to users with feedbacks of 10 or under. In many cases, they are actually the quickest group to pay, the friendliest to deal with, etc. However, the dark side is that they also represent the biggest share of pain-in-the-ass users. So, whenever I make a sale to a n0ObZoRz, I always take a deep breath and think, "Well, this could go either way." More often than not, though, I have a PayPal payment waiting for me within three or fours hours.

YMMV, of course. I'm just saying "zero" doesn't have to equal "bad."

Heh, I'd hope not :).  Apart from one or two purchases made by my gf, I've only started using ebay in the last couple of months.  Still very much a n0ObZoRz myself :wink:.  (How I fondly remember having to email Cougie to ask his permission to bid on one of his auctions, before I knew what he was like, lol).  And yeah, I'm a bit obsessive about paying immediately, too.  But like Xaxaxe says, we all gotta start somewhere, and with a cool place like the Acaeum around, it's all that much smoother.

  

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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:56 pm 
 

Ebay cannot lose from having hidden bidders.  They get paid by the shill or by the legitimate buyer.

The only thing they can lose is us.


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:04 pm 
 

MShipley88 wrote:Ebay cannot lose from having hidden bidders.  They get paid by the shill or by the legitimate buyer.

The only thing they can lose is us.



All due respect that is conflicting statement. :)  

If they start losing legit buyers then who the hell are they going to make money off of?  The shady assholes can't shill thier auctions if there is no one to bid against, and even if they do, Ebay can't get paid off auctions that don't end up in completed sales.  I can tell you that my Ebay buying has gone down considerably over the last several months and its not just because I am shorter on funds right now than I had been.  To be 100% honest, I can't even remeber the full term last auction that I have actually won.  The only thing that I have successfully bought over the last several months have been early BINs and to be honest its not because I have been bidding a lot on regular auctions and losing, its because I haven't really been bidding at all.


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Post Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:11 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:If they start losing legit buyers then who the hell are they going to make money off of?


My point exactly.

One might think that would occur to the people who run Ebay as well.

I wonder why it hasn't.  Shill bidders can only hurt Ebay in the long run.  It's like they want a competitor to emerge.


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:35 pm 
 

What the hell!!



http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... TRK:ME:UFS



For some reason eBay has removed the feeback that  mondiversi left me due to a non-paying dispute...WHICH I DID NOT FILE!!!! Yet the feedback I left him remains:



http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... =-1&de=off



This is what is shown in the dispute console:



Dec-10-2006 mondiversi -- Closed: No FVF granted

D&D Master Set 4 and Immortal Set 5, Boxed Sets  (220053803840)  View dispute



Dec-10-2006 mondiversi -- Closed: No FVF granted

D&D Basic Set 1-10th print- 6 Blue dice in original bag  (220053803705)  View dispute



Dec-10-2006 mondiversi -- Closed: No FVF granted

D&D Basic Rules Boxed Set 1 plus Bonus Boxed Set  (220053803627)  View dispute



This is the view of the dispute:



eBay   Feb-02-07 at 03:15:03 PST  



The Unpaid Item dispute has been closed for the following reason:

The reporting period has elapsed.



eBay   Dec-10-06 at 16:52:56 PST  



An Unpaid Item dispute has been opened for the following item: D&D Master Set 4 and Immortal Set 5, Boxed Sets (#220053803840)

Reason given for Unpaid Item: The buyer has not paid for the item.

Buyer actions reported by seller: The buyer has not responded.







The auctions ended on 3 Dec 06 and the filing was on the 10th but I never filed a dispute.



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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:18 pm 
 

iInsigths.... ummmm... eGay sucks ass?


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:22 pm 
 

Kosh have you contacted eBay ... sounds like someone at eBay made a simple mistake.  It happens .. contact them and tell them to fix it.

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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:13 pm 
 

improvstone wrote:Kosh have you contacted eBay ... sounds like someone at eBay made a simple mistake.  It happens .. contact them and tell them to fix it.


I'm waiting to hear back from mondiversi so I can have some point blank ammo.


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Post Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:05 pm 
 

Kosh, I suspect that what happened is you might have reported the item unpaid?  This sends a reminder email for the customer to pay.  However, it also begins the Unpaid item dispute process, even if you never follow up on it because the buyer sends payment.

If the unpaid item process is begun, the buyer has to make a response.  If they just pay for the item but don't "officially" respond to the dispute, then their feedback will be removed at the end of the "waiting" period.

This is designed to protect sellers.  It doesn't matter if the buyer pays or if they leave postive feedback . . . if you use ebay to send the unpaid item reminder, they must respond or the buyer feedback is removed.


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