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danteisevil wrote:I want to thank you for your concern. I was reading this fourm. It does worry me. I sent everything via mbag on Friday. I tried signing up on the forums to post my response but the confirmation email has not come  through yet. I hope everything works out well.

 First of all, I want to say that you all know that this auction isn't any of your business. I do want to thank you all for your concerns. However, I want to clear up a few things. I have no previous relations with this buyer and all of the comments on this board are far from the truth. The buyer has excellent feedback and the sale worked out for both of us. I have a friend who is very interested in d & d and originally this set was for him. The friend didn't have an ebay account but I did, so I won the auction for him. Unfortunately, my friend did not have the funds at the time and I cannot sit on that price for more than a week without pay. The seller that I won the item from informed me that another buyer tried to get in on  the auction but the timing didn't work out. He asked me if I was willing to speak  to the buyer.
Everything was negotiated with the buyer and I setup a private auction for the buyer. But, I want to clear this up when I read about something I did on these forums. It does disturb me quite a bit. I needed to turn this item over quick and everything seemed to workout. I made a quick turnover for what I wanted and my friend didn't have the money on hand anyway so I didnn't want to sit on this bill. The ebay user had excellent pay time and everything worked out. I read some of the previous responses on this board and they are all wrong. This is the first time I have sent anything to the uk and probably the last. I only stumbled upon this auction for a friend and nothing more. Now I have a sad friend and a little money in my pocket. And to me, the buyer would make use of this collection much  more than I can, seeing that he is a collector. My friend is a big collector as well but doesn't deal with ebay. The sad thing is that he didn't get what  he wanted. Now he will probably have to pay even more to get something close  to this auction.
To address some of the comments. This is not a conspiracy or a contact of this ebay buyer. I have bought a total of about 5 things on ebay in years and the only reason this was bought originally was for a friend. You all can say what you want and come up with any ideas you have but I assure you everything was done under ebay rules. - Danteisevil

Thank you all for your concern and I will keep reading on this thread as time goes by.  I do apologise for my slow ebay response as I don't use ebay very much. I do thank you for making me aware of what I am getting into. Is there anything anyone can do about this in case the charge did happen in the future? I am not assuming it will but if it does what are the options?

I think most of the concern was that Cougie has been known in the past to "lose" m-bag shipments sent to him, and suddenly several months later the contents are available on his ebay site. Meanwhile he has cancelled the transaction and charged backed the amount to his credit card. Since m-bags are not traceable, there is nothing the buyer can do about this tactic.  Several variations of this theme appear in negative feedback on Cougar's id. However, YMMV, and you never know, it may work out ok.  I wish you well.  Please let us know if something odd happens and Coug does decide to charge back the shipment for some reason.

 In the future? In almost every case, letting an auction run it's full course on ebay is preferable to a "private" deal.  D&D items are going for some amazing prices lately.  I have no doubt you have shorted yourself some money by selling to Cougar, but you wouldn't be the first seller he's screwed. Relisting the items would have been just as simple as what you did, except you might have doubled your profit and not had the off-chance the items will "disappear" and you will get nothing. Once again, hope this works out for you....



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danteisevil wrote:All in all, I think it is just a big misunderstanding.

Understandable to the above post. I seriously needed to turn this over quickly so that I could get that charge off my credit card.  If the buyer makes more money, then he worked harder than I did for it. Personally, what the buyer makes off of it and what I wanted for it, were fair in my eyes. It isn't my concern what the buyer makes off of it. I don't deal on ebay much and I am not in it for a profit. This was more to not pay interest on a cc this month due to helping a friend.  I don't feel that I was 'had' in any way. Everything went very smoothly and from what I know of the buyer, he was very polite, straight to the point, and helpful.



I take no offense. No worries!

Hi there and welcome to the forum.  At this point I am going to give you the benefit go the doubt, although to say that I am little more than sketical right now would be a complete and total understatement, but we shall see.  

Anyway, I think that you are missing the entire point that is being made.  Cougarrinard paid. He always pays and he typically pays quickly.  That has absolutely nothing to do with the transaction at hand. See you just shipped $1000+ worth of goods by an untrackable method. What this means is that whether or not Cougarrinard actually receives the $1000+ of merchandise that you just shipped him, doesn't mean that you are going to get to keep his $1000.  

In a month or two, it is entirely possible that he will file a dispute through either Paypal and/or his Credit Card company as he done done several times in the past claiming non-reciept of the $1000+ worth of goods you just shipped him.  Now, Paypal says fine, they contact you looking for proof of shipment and keep in mind a Postal Reciept only is not going to cut it.  They will need some sort of proof that this shipment was received by Cougarrinard.  Without some sort of tracking on your shipment, you do not have that proof, you are flat out screwed.  If you can not prove to Paypal that he has in fact received it, which is impossible with an M-Bag, as it is completely untrackable, they will come after you for the $1000+ and give it directly back to Cougarrinard.   There is nothing you can do about it now.  If you do not have the cash in your Paypal account already, they will charge the bank account that you have set up with it.  If that charge bounces back, then they will go after your credit card and charge that.  Now if that happens that will leave you with the exact same Credit Card charge that you just were happy to eliminate and now, you also no longer have the goods to try and recoup it again.  In other words, you lose.

I will say that for someone who never sells on Ebay and has never heard of this individual before you certainly seem to be rather calm, cool and collected.  Especially considering, that you are currently on the hook to this person who you do not know for over $1000+ and the CC debt that you claim you were so happily to relieve yourself of, really has not necessarily gone away yet.

if money is taken out and ebay and paypal account are closed can they chargeback? just checking
hope will work out if genuine

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DanteisEvil wrote,  "First of all, I want to say that you all know that this auction isn't any of your business."

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I would expect this kind of response from a friend of Cougy.Anyone else would be more appreciative of our help.Another little issue is the fact that you seriously tried to over explain yourself which in my book sniffs of fabrication.If it is none of our business why bother trying to explain it away?Feeling guilty?Do not forget you are in the USA that is the front line,

while Cougy is safely tucked away in the UK.

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DanteisEvil wrote,

I have no previous relations with this buyer and all of the comments on this board are far from the truth. The buyer has excellent feedback and the sale worked out for both of us. I have a friend who is very interested in d & d and originally this set was for him. The friend didn't have an ebay account but I did, so I won the auction for him. Unfortunately, my friend did not have the funds at the time and I cannot sit on that price for more than a week without pay.

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How can you say the sale worked out for both of you when it has not even been completed yet.And the fact that you won an auction for a friend

who had no ebay account or cash to pay just does not stand up does it?

You would have known he could not pay you as you pretty much sold the item on immediately after recieving it?The original Grafxfx auction ended

on 14 April.Even if you paid immediately and it took four days to arrive,you then had it sold to Cougy within a week?Sorry it all just happened way to fast to be coincidence?You would have known on paying for this auction that your "friend"did not have the funds to pay?

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DanteisEvil says,

The seller that I won the item from informed me that another buyer tried to get in on  the auction but the timing didn't work out. He asked me if I was willing to speak  to the buyer.

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There is no record of Cougy bidding on this auction.There was only two hidden bidders.One was your self the other was a bidder with under 50 feedback (clearly not Cougy).The only record of Cougys interferance in this auction is where he asks about his american friend and can he bid.

Also you are admitting using ebay to trade outside of their system.Ebay does not like this and you could be reported.What do you mean the "timing didn't work out"?Cougy could not bid on this auction so why grafxfx would pass his details on baffles me?

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DanteisEvil says,

My friend is a big collector as well but doesn't deal with ebay.

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Such a big collector that he does not even have any money eh?Who is this

magical hidden big seller then?We would love to talk with him.



Bottom line is if Cougy rips you off you are innocent.But personally i think

you are just a little too smug about all of this.No offence but anyone who

sides with Cougy is definately in my bad books...and a lot of other peoples.He has ripped off far too many people already!



I stand by my original views about you being Cougys American connection. And to cap it all Cougy has already left positive feedback for you? The same day he paid? Without even waiting to recieve the goods?

That is another slip up...Cougy never does that...EVER! You might as well

come clean?

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You know, I was going to suggest contacting the original seller of the auction, to find out if that part of the story was true, but upon looking at the original auction again, I got the answer I needed anyway.  This is all a flat out crock of shit, period and point blank.  From the Q&A section of the original auction:



http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... uestion_VI

Q:  I live in UK, but have a mate in USA with USA address, you could send it to him & he;ll get it to me, of course once he has it your part is done, this has worked many many times before, may I bid please? --dave  Apr-13-07
A:   Dave, Sure you can bid as long as the address is in the USA. I hope your mate can get it over to you without any difficulties. Sincerely, Thomas eBay ID: grafxfx

Cougar had already gotten the green light to bid the day before the auction ended and ship "to his mate in the US"  and yet he chose not to bid himself.   Now over a week later, after the original seller had already agreed to sell to him, Dave, who chose not to bid on the auction when it was ending for $860 plus shipping now has a change of heart and agrees to pay an extra $140 (not $14 but $140!!) on the same lot of material.   I was going to say that is defintely not Coug's style, but upon second thought, that is not anyone's style.  This is all a crock.  Danteiseveil, this was a nice try, but maybe next time.   Like I said, you were just a little to cool and collected for someone on the hook to an internet stranger for over a $1000, especially one who had already claimed in his original post to be hard up for cash.  No one, and I mean no one who is fearing the bill collectors acts that calm, no one.