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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:32 pm 
 

I've been in contact w/the seller as well. It's a long story, but the gist is that I believe this was a legitimate auction and not a Cougy shill. As noted by deadlord, he says it's already been shipped as of Friday.  :(

He added that he's trying to register here to post, but having some problems.  Hopefully that will get sorted out.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:42 pm 
 

Dante--hold on a moment; if you go back to my only post on this subject (until now), I had these points which left me scratching my head:

:arrow:   An auction limited to one bidder (I do realize it is legal to limit bidders; I had not heard of one being limited to one bidder only before);

:arrow:   The size of the lot, being sent all in M-bags (which I understand through the USPS site is not traceable--but even I understand that it likely would be cheaper than sending it all at once any other way, even through UPS or other delivery services);

:arrow:   The history of Cougerinard, through the large number of negatives on his feedback (realizing that compared to total feedback, the %'age of "negs" is small).

Those three alone would get my attention--and it did  :) !  Also, I have dealt with Cougie in the past once or twice on my own, and did not had any problems (except when I forgot about the exchange rate and postage/handling from the UK; I bid in UK pounds thinking in US$ :oops: !).
Apparently it caught the attention of a lot of others here as well; I'll let them answer your post, as some of them also are sellers on eBay . . .

  

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:47 pm 
 

danteisevil wrote:I want to thank you for your concern. I was reading this fourm. It does worry me. I sent everything via mbag on Friday. I tried signing up on the forums to post my response but the confirmation email has not come  through yet. I hope everything works out well.

 First of all, I want to say that you all know that this auction isn't any of your business. I do want to thank you all for your concerns. However, I want to clear up a few things. I have no previous relations with this buyer and all of the comments on this board are far from the truth. The buyer has excellent feedback and the sale worked out for both of us. I have a friend who is very interested in d & d and originally this set was for him. The friend didn't have an ebay account but I did, so I won the auction for him. Unfortunately, my friend did not have the funds at the time and I cannot sit on that price for more than a week without pay. The seller that I won the item from informed me that another buyer tried to get in on  the auction but the timing didn't work out. He asked me if I was willing to speak  to the buyer.
Everything was negotiated with the buyer and I setup a private auction for the buyer. But, I want to clear this up when I read about something I did on these forums. It does disturb me quite a bit. I needed to turn this item over quick and everything seemed to workout. I made a quick turnover for what I wanted and my friend didn't have the money on hand anyway so I didnn't want to sit on this bill. The ebay user had excellent pay time and everything worked out. I read some of the previous responses on this board and they are all wrong. This is the first time I have sent anything to the uk and probably the last. I only stumbled upon this auction for a friend and nothing more. Now I have a sad friend and a little money in my pocket. And to me, the buyer would make use of this collection much  more than I can, seeing that he is a collector. My friend is a big collector as well but doesn't deal with ebay. The sad thing is that he didn't get what  he wanted. Now he will probably have to pay even more to get something close  to this auction.
To address some of the comments. This is not a conspiracy or a contact of this ebay buyer. I have bought a total of about 5 things on ebay in years and the only reason this was bought originally was for a friend. You all can say what you want and come up with any ideas you have but I assure you everything was done under ebay rules. - Danteisevil

Thank you all for your concern and I will keep reading on this thread as time goes by.  I do apologise for my slow ebay response as I don't use ebay very much. I do thank you for making me aware of what I am getting into. Is there anything anyone can do about this in case the charge did happen in the future? I am not assuming it will but if it does what are the options?




I think most of the concern was that Cougie has been known in the past to "lose" m-bag shipments sent to him, and suddenly several months later the contents are available on his ebay site. Meanwhile he has cancelled the transaction and charged backed the amount to his credit card. Since m-bags are not traceable, there is nothing the buyer can do about this tactic.  Several variations of this theme appear in negative feedback on Cougar's id. However, YMMV, and you never know, it may work out ok.  I wish you well.  Please let us know if something odd happens and Coug does decide to charge back the shipment for some reason.

 In the future? In almost every case, letting an auction run it's full course on ebay is preferable to a "private" deal.  D&D items are going for some amazing prices lately.  I have no doubt you have shorted yourself some money by selling to Cougar, but you wouldn't be the first seller he's screwed. Relisting the items would have been just as simple as what you did, except you might have doubled your profit and not had the off-chance the items will "disappear" and you will get nothing. Once again, hope this works out for you....



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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:48 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:15 pm 
 

danteisevil wrote:All in all, I think it is just a big misunderstanding.

Understandable to the above post. I seriously needed to turn this over quickly so that I could get that charge off my credit card.  If the buyer makes more money, then he worked harder than I did for it. Personally, what the buyer makes off of it and what I wanted for it, were fair in my eyes. It isn't my concern what the buyer makes off of it. I don't deal on ebay much and I am not in it for a profit. This was more to not pay interest on a cc this month due to helping a friend.  I don't feel that I was 'had' in any way. Everything went very smoothly and from what I know of the buyer, he was very polite, straight to the point, and helpful.



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Hi there and welcome to the forum.  At this point I am going to give you the benefit go the doubt, although to say that I am little more than sketical right now would be a complete and total understatement, but we shall see.  

Anyway, I think that you are missing the entire point that is being made.  Cougarrinard paid. He always pays and he typically pays quickly.  That has absolutely nothing to do with the transaction at hand. See you just shipped $1000+ worth of goods by an untrackable method. What this means is that whether or not Cougarrinard actually receives the $1000+ of merchandise that you just shipped him, doesn't mean that you are going to get to keep his $1000.  

In a month or two, it is entirely possible that he will file a dispute through either Paypal and/or his Credit Card company as he done done several times in the past claiming non-reciept of the $1000+ worth of goods you just shipped him.  Now, Paypal says fine, they contact you looking for proof of shipment and keep in mind a Postal Reciept only is not going to cut it.  They will need some sort of proof that this shipment was received by Cougarrinard.  Without some sort of tracking on your shipment, you do not have that proof, you are flat out screwed.  If you can not prove to Paypal that he has in fact received it, which is impossible with an M-Bag, as it is completely untrackable, they will come after you for the $1000+ and give it directly back to Cougarrinard.   There is nothing you can do about it now.  If you do not have the cash in your Paypal account already, they will charge the bank account that you have set up with it.  If that charge bounces back, then they will go after your credit card and charge that.  Now if that happens that will leave you with the exact same Credit Card charge that you just were happy to eliminate and now, you also no longer have the goods to try and recoup it again.  In other words, you lose.

I will say that for someone who never sells on Ebay and has never heard of this individual before you certainly seem to be rather calm, cool and collected.  Especially considering, that you are currently on the hook to this person who you do not know for over $1000+ and the CC debt that you claim you were so happily to relieve yourself of, really has not necessarily gone away yet.


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:31 pm 
 

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:33 pm 
 

if money is taken out and ebay and paypal account are closed can they chargeback? just checking
hope will work out if genuine

  

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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:44 pm 
 

To be honest - and this is really no concern of mine, but I have to speak up - I am wondering about this thread and why this "occasional" seller isn't even remotely concerned about the possibility of a chargeback.

Five emails from people warning me about this bidder were enough to scare me into holding onto a $120 auction lot this bidder won; I couldn't even FATHOM risking $1000. I wish I had that kind of money to throw away - I could have bought those $100 Council of Wyrms dragons I was whining about in another post....  :D

At any rate, cougarrinard was also very polite with me until I decided to not sell him the items. I will give him credit, though, after I stopped debating with him and asked him not to contact me, he did in fact stop the emails.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you and hoping these warnings were unnecessary...god help ME if I had to eat a $1000 chargeback.


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Post Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:54 pm 
 

Relax, danteisevil, I wasn't insulting you...I just feel your pain and hope you made the right decision.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you! I'm just glad the emails got to ME before I shipped MY lot of modules.


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:13 am 
 

By the way...welcome danteisevil.  

Your friend who is a collector might also want to joint the Acaeum.  There are lots of interesting things here.

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:25 am 
 

DanteisEvil wrote,  "First of all, I want to say that you all know that this auction isn't any of your business."

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I would expect this kind of response from a friend of Cougy.Anyone else would be more appreciative of our help.Another little issue is the fact that you seriously tried to over explain yourself which in my book sniffs of fabrication.If it is none of our business why bother trying to explain it away?Feeling guilty?Do not forget you are in the USA that is the front line,

while Cougy is safely tucked away in the UK.

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I have no previous relations with this buyer and all of the comments on this board are far from the truth. The buyer has excellent feedback and the sale worked out for both of us. I have a friend who is very interested in d & d and originally this set was for him. The friend didn't have an ebay account but I did, so I won the auction for him. Unfortunately, my friend did not have the funds at the time and I cannot sit on that price for more than a week without pay.

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How can you say the sale worked out for both of you when it has not even been completed yet.And the fact that you won an auction for a friend

who had no ebay account or cash to pay just does not stand up does it?

You would have known he could not pay you as you pretty much sold the item on immediately after recieving it?The original Grafxfx auction ended

on 14 April.Even if you paid immediately and it took four days to arrive,you then had it sold to Cougy within a week?Sorry it all just happened way to fast to be coincidence?You would have known on paying for this auction that your "friend"did not have the funds to pay?

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The seller that I won the item from informed me that another buyer tried to get in on  the auction but the timing didn't work out. He asked me if I was willing to speak  to the buyer.

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There is no record of Cougy bidding on this auction.There was only two hidden bidders.One was your self the other was a bidder with under 50 feedback (clearly not Cougy).The only record of Cougys interferance in this auction is where he asks about his american friend and can he bid.

Also you are admitting using ebay to trade outside of their system.Ebay does not like this and you could be reported.What do you mean the "timing didn't work out"?Cougy could not bid on this auction so why grafxfx would pass his details on baffles me?

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DanteisEvil says,

My friend is a big collector as well but doesn't deal with ebay.

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Such a big collector that he does not even have any money eh?Who is this

magical hidden big seller then?We would love to talk with him.



Bottom line is if Cougy rips you off you are innocent.But personally i think

you are just a little too smug about all of this.No offence but anyone who

sides with Cougy is definately in my bad books...and a lot of other peoples.He has ripped off far too many people already!



I stand by my original views about you being Cougys American connection. And to cap it all Cougy has already left positive feedback for you? The same day he paid? Without even waiting to recieve the goods?

That is another slip up...Cougy never does that...EVER! You might as well

come clean?

  

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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:58 am 
 

I wonder if Dante turned back on the "Caps Lock" his posts would have more meaning  :lol:

  


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:22 am 
 

danteisevil wrote:Here we go let the conspiracies begin.

Your auction was a unique one, and such a singular event demands a closer examination.

Cougy has done nothing wrong to me. I understand every concern you have if you have had bad relations in the past but he has done nothing to me to make me believe that he is a bad trader.

bclarkie pretty much summed up the risks in dealing with da Coug.  And while a non-judgmental attitude is useful in life and eBay, certain situations should be avoided or at least examined carefully.

I hope that your M-Bag is immune from being lost because (1) maybe da Coug has stopped losing M-Bags and (2) your lot was auctioned in an unusual manner and was subsequently publicized here.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:03 am 
 

You know, I was going to suggest contacting the original seller of the auction, to find out if that part of the story was true, but upon looking at the original auction again, I got the answer I needed anyway.  This is all a flat out crock of shit, period and point blank.  From the Q&A section of the original auction:



http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... uestion_VI



Q:  I live in UK, but have a mate in USA with USA address, you could send it to him & he;ll get it to me, of course once he has it your part is done, this has worked many many times before, may I bid please? --dave  Apr-13-07
A:   Dave, Sure you can bid as long as the address is in the USA. I hope your mate can get it over to you without any difficulties. Sincerely, Thomas eBay ID: grafxfx




Cougar had already gotten the green light to bid the day before the auction ended and ship "to his mate in the US"  and yet he chose not to bid himself.   Now over a week later, after the original seller had already agreed to sell to him, Dave, who chose not to bid on the auction when it was ending for $860 plus shipping now has a change of heart and agrees to pay an extra $140 (not $14 but $140!!) on the same lot of material.   I was going to say that is defintely not Coug's style, but upon second thought, that is not anyone's style.  This is all a crock.  Danteiseveil, this was a nice try, but maybe next time.   Like I said, you were just a little to cool and collected for someone on the hook to an internet stranger for over a $1000, especially one who had already claimed in his original post to be hard up for cash.  No one, and I mean no one who is fearing the bill collectors acts that calm, no one.


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:46 am 
 

Just to build further on my previous post:



danteisevil wrote: I have a friend who is very interested in d & d and originally this set was for him. The friend didn't have an ebay account but I did, so I won the auction for him. Unfortunately, my friend did not have the funds at the time and I cannot sit on that price for more than a week without pay.


This maybe the biggest load of BS that I have ever read.  You have a friend who has no Ebay account, so you bid on the lot for him, but found out after the fact he didn't have the cash?  Are you kidding me??? You bid on an auction for someone else, who either gave you the okay to bid knowing that they did not have the cash or you bid on it without them knowing you were bidding at all, under the knowledge that you just dropped almost $1000 for them, without being 100% sure that they would both be okay with you buying it and also that they had the cash available to pay for it????   And then yet despite showning absolutely no problems at all at fronting someone knowingly or not almost $1000, now you can't go a week without being paid for it???

danteisevil wrote:I made a quick turnover for what I wanted and my friend didn't have the money on hand anyway so I didnn't want to sit on this bill.


100% contradictory and complete and utter Bull Sh*t

danteisevil wrote: The seller that I won the item from informed me that another buyer tried to get in on  the auction but the timing didn't work out. He asked me if I was willing to speak  to the buyer.


The seller contacted you to let you know that someone else was going to bid on the auction but didn't bid, wondering if you were interested in speaking to the buyer?  Why? Why would a seller contact the winning buyer in any auctions case to let them know someone else was going to bid.  If the seller was that concerned about it, he would screwed you over and dealt with the "mysterious" buyer themselves.  

danteisevil wrote: Everything was negotiated with the buyer and I setup a private auction for the buyer.


danteisevil wrote:I made a quick turnover for what I wanted and my friend didn't have the money on hand anyway so I didnn't want to sit on this bill.




Again, more contradictory BS. If you were so interested in a quick turnaround, then why limit the auction to one bidder? Why not set the auction up and let whoever wanted to bid on it, bid on it? Especially when you consider it took dear old Dave almost a full day before he "won" the auction.  Someone else could have just as easily come along and snapped that auction up in less time.




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If you were really interested in a quick sale, you'd have left it open for anyone and yet you saw fit to restrict it to one buyer and one buyer only.


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Post Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:51 am 
 

It was a rather convoluted process for somebody to go through for their very first eBay sale...  :twisted:


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