Cougarrinard is now using Ebay ID of littleprincessfreya
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:40 am 
 

At least with the feedback system now, you can see what someone has bought or sold.  For example:



http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... =asap247uk



99% of the 822 rating is from 1p auctions.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:46 am 
 

And it only took him since last october to get his 800+ positive rating!

And only cost him £8?

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:06 pm 
 

g026r wrote:It's technically allowed by eBay's rules, from what I recall, just so long as you don't explicitly state that the auction is for feedback.


Not really:



http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fee ... ation.html



With a key passage being:



"It is a violation to exchange feedback for the sole purpose of increasing your feedback score to obtain site privileges or enhance your reputation. This most frequently occurs when a person purchases low priced, non-physical items, but may include other types of transactions as well."



But ... we all know that the bigger issue is actually enforcement. I still think these sorts of listings are worth reporting, but I no longer really expect any action to be taken.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:21 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:
Not really:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fee ... ation.html

With a key passage being:




Hrm.  They must have updated that since I last checked. It was quite a while ago, so it's definitely likely.



At the time, I believe it only used to refer to mentioning feedback in the auction title or auction description.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:34 pm 
 

Mars wrote:At least with the feedback system now, you can see what someone has bought or sold.  For example:

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... =asap247uk

99% of the 822 rating is from 1p auctions.




Selling fake nintendo games by the looks of it.. and the comment that I have 500+ feedback a month is priceless.. I belive that you can only see what they have bought for the past 3 months, after that you only see the coments... What I want to know is doesn't it cost the seller $$ to post these "items" for sale? I suspect taht 1 cents don't change hands.. who in thier right mind ant to transfer 1 cent? and thats a slow way to make any sort of $$..



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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:38 pm 
 

beasterbrook wrote:I suspect taht 1 cents don't change hands.

I doubt anything changes hands ... money or items. My guess is it's more of a network of scammers who "understand" that the whole thing is wink-wink, nudge-nudge, say-no-more.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:51 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:I doubt anything changes hands ... money or items. My guess is it's more of a network of scammers who "understand" that the whole thing is wink-wink, nudge-nudge, say-no-more.


Wow.  And we are missing out!  Let's set up our own system...NOT!  

I couldn't do it for ethical/moral reasons.  It's unethical even though technically it may be legal.  I am also of the belief that what goes around comes around.  It's not right, and these things have a way of coming back in unexpected ways.

I don't remember these penny auctions being mentioned in the same breath as Coug before.  Do you think Coug just learned this trick or have we just not noticed it?  I know we have commented on his feedback padding before, but not with penny auctions.  The Britty Kitty certainly can work the system to his advantage. :?


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:55 pm 
 

Hi,

yeah, he's done it on several occasions.

Whenever his feedback need a boost, basically.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:40 pm 
 

Then it might be good idea to write down who gives Dave feedback for those auctions.

It would identify the other scammers, right?


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:06 pm 
 

I have gone ahead and reported a couple of these "sales" to Ebay as feedback abuse.

Does anyone know how to just send an Email to someone at Ebay without using the "report this auction" tag...that will only really accept listing numbers?

It is high time that ordinary, honest Ebay customers began asking Ebay what they plan to do about Dave Whitfield.

1)  Frequently uses deceptive listings, including overstating the quality of the items he sells.

2)  Claims that critical components that are missing from an item are the fault of the customer for not asking...as if he'd answer, and as if completeness of a product were not the seller's duty to report.

3)  Charging excessive postage...and refusing to quote postage in advance specifically for this purpose.

4)  Offering a fraudulent refund policy that does not include his excessive shipping charges.

5)  Opening false NPB claims in order to have negative feedback removed.

6)  Offering fraudulent auctions for the purpose of boosting his feedback.

7)  Posting abusive and fraudulent negative feedback in retaliation for any negative feedback he may receive.

8)  Re-listing items he has supposedly sold and shipped.

9)  Falsely claiming that he has not received a shipment and then offering the items for sale, even though he supposedly never received them.

Surely, Dave has left a suitably wide trail of nasty emails, sordid deals, fraudulent auctions and the like for Ebay to be highly self-interested in having him gone.

I just spent 10 minutes or so trying to loop through Ebay's reporting system to see if I could send an email to a real person.

I think it's time all of us started clearly voicing to Ebay the large number of problems with this seller.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:07 pm 
 

How important is feedback to you? - Discuss.

Do you have a cut-off percentage or just go with a gut feeling, or something else entirely?
(For example, If I see a feedback below 99.5% I would probably try and see ther reason why, and sometimes there are good reasons)

(And I was really pissed when my feedback dropped to 99.9. In hindsight it was just one of those things that was out of my hands, but it really did niggle me for a long time, do much so I nearly jacked in buying/selling completely). But having realised that my feedback is never going to go back up to 100, and is unlikely to drop much below 99.9 I don't sweat it any more.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:10 pm 
 

benjoshua wrote:Do you think Coug just learned this trick or have we just not noticed it?

Oh, no, he's done it before ... this is at least the third go-around where he's been spotted by an Acaeum member. But I'll admit to never even having heard of this scheme before he was first spotted doing it a couple of years ago. Then, once I saw it in action, I just had to shake my head ... yet another Cougie scheme that takes advantage of eBay's loopholes.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:13 pm 
 

Hands up all those who could be bothered buying feedback for a penny a time?

I've got better things to do with my time...............but then again we are talking about DM Dave :D


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:22 pm 
 

FormCritic wrote:Then it might be good idea to write down who gives Dave feedback for those auctions.

It would identify the other scammers, right?

Not a really good use of anyone's time, though, especially in the context of what we talk about on this site. The Penny Auction Idiots are not people who are involved in any form of D&D collecting ... they are more of a network of like-minded scammers that Diamond Dave can go to for a feedback boost. You and I (and every other normal person here) will never have to deal with these people.

That's not to say that reporting them can't be fun. But it can be frustrating to see no real action taken on eBay's part. And I suspect that these sorts of "feedback farms" are full of resourceful people who find it easy to open new accounts if they find their original account locked.

Not to get too far off-topic, but DM Dave has honestly had one good use: he is living proof that eBay's rules and regulations are riddled with loopholes. I'm now convinced (for all the good that does) that the entire rulebook needs to be re-written top-to-bottom.

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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:25 pm 
 

There must be a way to contact Ebay and have them deal with a renegade seller.

Somewhere, somehow it must be possible for the goodguys to point out an entire string of evil behavior by the badguys.


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:34 pm 
 

For starters, why doesn't everyone here revisit those fake listings and report them as

1) Violations of policy
2) Feedback related
3) Offer to purchase feedback.

By the way, the second auction, called "secret ebook" is interesting, in its own way.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:37 pm 
 

gyg wrote:How important is feedback to you? - Discuss.

Do you have a cut-off percentage or just go with a gut feeling, or something else entirely?
(For example, If I see a feedback below 99.5% I would probably try and see ther reason why, and sometimes there are good reasons)

(And I was really pissed when my feedback dropped to 99.9. In hindsight it was just one of those things that was out of my hands, but it really did niggle me for a long time, do much so I nearly jacked in buying/selling completely). But having realised that my feedback is never going to go back up to 100, and is unlikely to drop much below 99.9 I don't sweat it any more.


To be honest, I do have a feedback cut-off point.  However, it's not a set value.  Rather, it varies based on how much feedback the seller has total; I know it's odd, but I'm actually more hesitant to bid from a seller with thousands of feedback and a 99.2% rating than I am one with less than 100 feedback and a 98.7% rating.  The latter could just be a single bad transaction, the previous is a notable pattern -- and, given that many people don't seem to leave negative feedback, I can safely assume the 99.2 is likely lower.  Yeah, it's still less than 1 or 2 in a hundred in that case, but I don't want to be that 1 or 2. ;)

If there's a power seller icon, I'm even more wary -- simply because I know that if it comes down to a dispute between myself and the seller, I'm not likely to win regardless of how in the right I may be.

I know, not entirely logical, but that's me.  Now on the other hand, if I've had good dealings with someone in the past, I'm more likely to ignore their feedback rating and just hope the pattern holds. :)


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Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:38 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:

That's not to say that reporting them can't be fun. But it can be frustrating to see no real action taken on eBay's part. And I suspect that these sorts of "feedback farms" are full of resourceful people who find it easy to open new accounts if they find their original account locked.



Dave Whitfield would consider it a disastrous loss.  His whole online personna is based upon his powerseller status and how he dominates the games sales market.

It would also be disastrous for Dave because once he is banned, it would be possible for Acaeum members to detect his new incarnations and report them one by one.

It would affect his PayPal status and his ability to withdraw funds.

Mostly, it would be a near-brainbusting blow to his ego.


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