Badmike wrote:Well, conversely, I've never met you and I'm already fairly certain you're a schmuck. Mike B.
thehiddenone wrote:What is the point then since it doesn't seem anyone else gets it?
Kosh Vorlontay wrote:So get it while you can, make a profit while you can, collect it while you can and in the end just bury it with you when you go. At least then in 200+ years when the new civilizations dig you up (like the Egyptians of old) you will be worth more due to the size of your collection.
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:I doubt it. Besides, the market is amoral. It has nothing to do with ethics or morality.
thehiddenone wrote:Both me and vallhalla games right. Or did you already forget some of the things that you have written previously about them?
Badmike wrote:Well, conversely, I've never met you and I'm already fairly certain you're a schmuck.
deimos3428 wrote:(Ok, I admit I skimmed the next four pages. I'm pretty sure it was random back-and-forth bickering with some solid points in between. )The market is amoral. The D&D collecting community is not. That's the difference. We try our best to protect our own, as well as others newly interested in the hobby. Period, end of story. Tsojconth has been trending upward this year, but it is simply not worth almost twice last year's valuation.
improvstone wrote:Mike, please don't sink the discussion down to name calling. Especially after your last post tried to stop this behaviour. I know you are better than this
Badmike wrote:Unfortunately there are still those on these boards that refuse to recognize reselling of used items as a legitimate business, for whatever misguided and nostalgic reasons, and perhaps hold on to ideals in regard to RPG collectibles far longer than they should. They get angrier at a reseller gouging prices on an H1 than the multi-national bad guys raping us everyday at the gas pump.
Badmike wrote:I still fail to see how bashing STS helps one singel newbie not overpay for a woodgrain when he wants that woodgrain come hell or high water.
Badmike wrote:Actually I was trying to be ironic...but re-reading I see that didn't come out that way. Sometimes what we post doesn't have the same tone as if we had said it. I apologize if it sounded overly insulting. But comparing STS to Creep was a low, low blow.......I didn't really feel that was called for, and STS certainly didn't deserve being called a forum troll for simply stating his opinion. But I do apologize for the over reaction.Mike B.
creepydealer wrote:I do have a store Adam. I rely upon watching other sales, as well as what I would be willing to pay for something as a collector myself. This is important to me, because everyting is worth what a ready, willing, and able buyer wil pay for an item. While you may not pay for aomething, someone else may. I would refer to the Q1 currently on auction, last I saw approaching $90. Another member here is in fact one of the bidders, outbid above $80. The Treasure hunt, preparing to close above $100. I personally sold 3 copies of Dawn of the Emporors in the last month for $90 each. I've sold many Gaz series on Ebay and off $80 and up. Much higher valuation than many thought possible. I didn't drag these people in and hold a gun to their head Brian. None of these sales are doing that. Anyone who cannot see the market trend is simply closing their eyes to it. Unfortunately, I think some people don't want the market to grow, don't want the values to increase. Thats nuts. This trend shows the strength of the gaming market, and of the D&D brand name. Any serious business person in the business would be a foll not to capitalize on it. I will continue to do just that.
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. If I'm a buyer, then its real value is (at least) the amount of money I pay for it. If I'm an investor, then correctly assessing the market is important.. but investors who make bad decisions reflects only on themselves not some third party.
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:Someone else remarked that a bidder paid "too much" for a Tsoj, saying they bid far more than what it is "worth". The module is "worth" whatever someone paid for it. Period.
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:Respectfully, there's no such thing as a "fair price" or "fair shipping". Do you mean "average" price or "average shipping cost"? Maybe some firms do better than others by not being "average" -- it certainly seems the case for the seller in question. Just my two cents.
thehiddenone wrote:it kind of makes you wonder what is going on.
Badmike wrote:Heaven help the next time I disagree with the majority here, I expect a good tar and feathering....
Badmike wrote:We're just going to have to have one of those agree to disagree. STS is dealing in the theoretical, certainly the subject is fair game for discussion without one being bashed? Creep not only put overpricing into action, he bragged about his reselling genius and basically called everyone morons for not realizing D&D prices were soon going to rise to stratospheric levels so paying much over their "value" was a legitimate business practice. I think one of those two could have been dealt with using comments a little less inflammatory than "forum troll". Heaven help the next time I disagree with the majority here, I expect a good tar and feathering....Mike B.
thehiddenone wrote:Forum troll is a term for someone who starts trouble on a forum for his or her own enjoyment and for no reason at all. In my opinion it is far less inflamatory and much less personal than being called a schmuck. You did apologize for that remark, but it doesn't change the fact that you resorted to personally insulting me even though I never personally insulted you and in light of the fact you misunderstood the meaning of what I was saying. By saying this, I am not looking for another apology, I am merely pointing out that you misunderstood what was being said and you still resorted to the same behavior that you were accusing me of and belittling me for. I leave it at that, I have no further need to discuss this topic.
Once upon a time, evil dwarfs were living in hills, forests and mounds. They were stumpy, misshapen, humpbacked, with a long nose, long hair and a long tail. Trolls were inclined to thieving, and fond of carrying off children. They would substitute one of their own offspring for that of a human mother. They were called "hill-people", and they were especially averse to noise, from a recollection of the time when god Thor used to fling his hammer after them. Not all trolls were evil!. Some trolls were helping people. Some trolls were only playing games. But, evil trolls were the one that kids were most afraid of. Some trolls were small, other were giants.
yo! wrote:Wouldnt this be weird. What if there was a becketts like company out to make a AD&D trading card magazine. This company could be Hasbro or Wizards or a relativly small time shop aka Mikes or Trolls and ?Name the price, corner the market on goods they say are rare etc etc. Now this may tick someone off but what if foul were to sell the acaeum and all its rights to this magazine etc etc. They could shut the site down and all its rights could be lost in court. A small fortune could be made by smart folks with a current bankroll.This company...ACAEUM... is already well respected and somewhat an authority via aka ebay.It makes me wonder in some kind of strange way if fouls selling of his collection for 35,000 and non of the IE small timers on here could afford that and a bigger fish would swim in and buy the acaeum and its rights and truly lock us in or out..This thread was brought on by the shady sellers split thread.Yo!AKA Maxwell.