Kosh Vorlontay wrote:Grab a beer and start the cheer......and Sea-to-sky-games is still... ...trollin, trollin, trollin... ...dont let this troll keep trollin... ...so ban him, ban him, ban him... ...Lord Foul!!
There are some very genuine and caring people on this forum so put away that brush that you are trying to paint everyone with.
If you want to seriously argue that people are generally not selfish and do not wish to profit when the opportunity arises, then we'll need another thread.
bclarkie wrote:but it seems pretty apparent to me that you are trying to change everyone elses mind to your line of thinking and in case it wasn't blatantly obvious to you yet, it isn't happening.
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:I've just been responding to questions or comments made by others. I figure it would be rude not to.
Kosh Vorlontay wrote:Grab a beer and start the cheer......and Sea-to-sky-games is still... ...trollin, trollin, trollin... ...dont let this troll keep trollin...
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:Looking at GW/SF auctions gives me an idea of what items are worth, but some are rare enough that I'm not sure about. For instance, 10th anniversary sets were released for GW. Does anyone have a guess at a value for a shrinked set?
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:Respectfully, there's no such thing as a "fair price" or "fair shipping". Do you mean "average" price or "average shipping cost"?
Xaxaxe wrote:This entire thread is a complete mystery to me (not that that has never happened before). StS, after 30 or whatever posts here, I still don't have the slightest idea what your point is or what, if anything, you are trying to prove. Well, other than that you are really, really smart — you seem to want to shove that down our throats with great regularity. Beyond that, though: no idea.
Traveller wrote:He's not as smart as I am. In fact, he's not smart at all.
bclarkie wrote:I think X's statement about him being smart was rhetorical and sarcastic.
Looking at GW/SF auctions gives me an idea of what items are worth, but some are rare enough that I'm not sure about. For instance, 10th anniversary sets were released for GW. Does anyone have a guess at a value for a shrinked set? Insert here my post on fair pricing
Sea-to-sky-games wrote: Respectfully, there's no such thing as a "fair price" or "fair shipping". Do you mean "average" price or "average shipping cost"? My comment was simply that there IS a fair price for something, which is what you inquired about the 10th anni set. If anyone cared, I appreciated the other folk's opinions on it.
Sea, can you see where you completely diverged from what I had written?
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:No. I was speaking in a general sense, and you spoke in terms of exceptions. There's no incongruity.
Thus you diverged. Point made. Thanks for backing it up.
Don't care... I am bored of your conversations ... please go pester people elsewhere.
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:A great loss not to have your insightful and civil input into this ongoing conversation
Sea-to-sky-games wrote:But then worth is not subjective, but rather an objective truth that is self-evident to everyone.Again, I'm not saying that the market can't be used the gauge the value of something (by looking at the market price) for purposes of insurance, replacement, legal reasons or whatever. In fact, I find the pricing guide at Acaeum to be quite useful.But when I make a choice to buy, they are based on my own valuations... After all, the market is to reflect the sum of individual valuations and then loosely translate these into a price.Price and value are two different things. In fact, price will always be lower than actual value.
mbassoc2003 wrote:Bclarke, your business model based on buying and selling large volumes of goods to the mainstream market works well, but competition is fierce and it keeps prices low. This encorages sales and newbies into the collecting market (because we all start off buying the cheap stuff).But once you diversify away from mainstream product to exclusively collector product, or into non-TSR obscurities, the value of product varies wildly from one sale to the next. The sensible thing to do if you want to obtain a good return on an item is to place a high BIN on it and reduce it over time. As Badmike did with DCC #12.5.Let us suppose you were sitting on a copy of DCC #3.5 signed at the con' by Dave Arneson. If you list iy with a $50 reserve and get $120 for it, you may have had a good return for your $5.99, but the buyer also got a bargain, because experience has told me I could list it for $200 and sell it inside of six months.I don't see anything inherently unethical about taking $200 over $120. It is purely an economic desicion for me. Shifting high value goods also means I don't have a lot of the hassles you must experience with newbie buyers.
Badmike wrote:Turn this around to a known collectible of our hobby, say a Lost Tamoachan. As things stand now, this item coming up for bid in nice shape should hit the $1000-$1200 range. What if some future unpreditible phenomenon drives the price up spectacularly? A bunch of trust fund babies who played D&D in their youth all have to have a copy and drive the price up at auctions? The new Spielberg/Lucas production is going to be a D&D movie built around the plotline of Lost Tamoachan? A bunch of professional baseball players decide to invest in collectibles due to advice from a D&D loving financial wizard, and they settle on the tournament modules? Of course these are goofy examples, but all it takes is maybe 2-3 deep pocketed D&D fans/investors to lay waste to all prices we have known for the past 25 years. At that point, $1200 might be a stone cold bargain with prices hovering over $2000 each.