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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:37 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Well, I just bumped all the pertinent threads that I could find on the subject. I didn't read through all of them though. Perhaps if its not listed in any of those threads, Paul may remember himself as he is the one who did all the research on the 1st print DMG.


Just found it clarkie and I bumped it up.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:47 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Oh and I hate to break it everyone, but 2 extremely important things:

1)  How do we really know that this book is actually legit? I say this b/c it would not be entirely impossible to actually rebound a DMG with those MM pages in them. :?

2)  Secondly and even more importantly, a price like this is certainly going to potentially encourage others to at least attempt to do so.

Something to think about....

Well, I admit I was slightly surprised at the last three bids, but we all knew this was going for a bundle, didn't we?  The aforementioned "big guns" were interested after all.  :wink:

Legit?  We don't know, except on the word of the seller.  Hopefully if the winner is an Acaeum member, they'll be so kind as to provide a detailed analysis of the book.

In any event, there's always someone willing to risk at least a couple hundred bucks on these auctions.  I'm sure we'll see more in the future, if only that people will be encouraged to check their copies.  Perhaps a fake or two, but I really think most scammers realize there are easier ways to make money if you're willing to be dishonest.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:49 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Oh and I hate to break it everyone, but 2 extremely important things:

1)  How do we really know that this book is actually legit? I say this b/c it would not be entirely impossible to actually rebound a DMG with those MM pages in them. :?

2)  Secondly and even more importantly, a price like this is certainly going to potentially encourage others to at least attempt to do so.

Something to think about....


The last copy went for about $500, and there was no expectation this was going to rise to such a level (although I did predict $1000 on the sale, still low).  Being as such, it really would be much easier to counterfeit a known commodity like a Fazzlewood, Lost Tamoachan, ST1, etc which have all historically gone for more than $500.  The choice of a DMG alpha is such an odd target for a counterfeit copy, any intelligent crook would shy away from such an unknown commodity and choose something that has a track record for sales.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:02 pm 
 

Howdy All,


Just to clarify. The DMG price of $562 was for a Dave Sutherland 1st print. There is a continuing misperception about this. It was a 1st print.

The 2nd Alpha that just sold is now one of 3 prints that we know of: mine, pleveich's, and now this one. No others have ever sold on eBay correctly identified as 2nd Alpha printings. This is a first.

The confusion is because the Sutherland auction was the first time anyone identified the 1st printing as we now know it. Before that the DMG with MM pages was considered the 1st print. When I changed the chronology by way of research, Scott assumed I was using the old chronology in the auction listing and he applied my new chronology to Dave's 1st print, calling it a 2nd Alpha. So the one listed under the section on DMG values at the Acaeum as a 2nd Alpha is actually a 1st print.

Also, the rarest DMG is the 3rd Beta because it never made it to outer shipping. It is likely that only 1 or 2 exist if any.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:31 pm 
 

The Collector's Trove wrote:Howdy All,


Just to clarify. The DMG price of $562 was for a Dave Sutherland 1st print. There is a continuing misperception about this. It was a 1st print.

The 2nd Alpha that just sold is now one of 3 prints that we know of: mine, plevich's, and now this one. No others have ever sold on eBay correctly identified as 2nd Alpha printings. This is a first.

The confusion is because the Sutherland auction was the first time anyone identified the 1st printing as we now know it. Before that the DMG with MM pages was considered the 1st print. When I changed the chronology by way of research, Scott assumed I was using the old chronology in the auction listing and he applied my new chronology to Dave's 1st print of Dave's calling it a 2nd Alpha. So the one listed under the section on DMG values at the Acaeum as a 2nd Alpha is actually a 1st print.

Also, the rarest DMG is the 3rd Beta because it never made it to outer shipping. It is likely that only 1 or 2 exist if any.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:51 pm 
 

Howdy Brian,


bclarkie wrote:Somewhere, out there, David just breathed a very large sigh of relief.


:?: Why so? Was the confusion bugging him? If so glad to help! :D


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:22 pm 
 

David indicated that he has been trying to have the $562 corrected and reassigned to the proper printing(in this case the real 1st printing) for ahwile.    Hopefully your post will help the cause. :wink:


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:47 pm 
 

Just noticed that nobody has mentioned that the title of this thread is wrong - the auction was for a 2nd Print Alpha, not Beta. (Paul referenced the correct printing in his post above, and the auction itself had it correct). Maybe if the seller comes back here he can fix it?

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:55 pm 
 

zhowar wrote:Just noticed that nobody has mentioned that the title of this thread is wrong - the auction was for a 2nd Print Alpha, not Beta. (Paul referenced the correct printing in his post above, and the auction itself had it correct). Maybe if the seller comes back here he can fix it?

Nothing against those of a different lifestyle than myself, but I could have done without seeing the hugging/kissing pictures and I really could have done without seeing the dude's wang hanging out. :|


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:18 am 
 

...that's twice you have mentioned these 'disgusting' pictures - now I am intrigued - where are they?  Are they really gruesome?  :wink:


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:25 am 
 

The description is, so I assume the pics are as well.


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:46 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:Nothing against those of a different lifestyle than myself, but I could have done without seeing the hugging/kissing pictures and I really could have done without seeing the dude's wang hanging out. :|


Dude...I hit the back button as soon I saw the picture of the guy in the dress and makeup.  That was quite enough to let me know that I didnt need to go any further.  8O

  


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:55 am 
 

Turning back to the DMG/MM itself for a moment, I think this auction is just what the site needed.  It has breathed some energy into the group, and has been a lot of fun to discuss and read about.


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:35 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Nothing against those of a different lifestyle than myself, but I could have done without seeing the hugging/kissing pictures and I really could have done without seeing the dude's wang hanging out. :|


Which begs a question for those out there reading...take a sec to think then post your answer...  :)


Would you really want to purchase a 1st Alpha misprint (or 2nd Alpha...whichever you guys decide on) that the person in question has handled?  What would be your "Ok...wang or no wang I will buy at THAT price!!" price?

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Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:11 pm 
 

red_bus wrote:...that's twice you have mentioned these 'disgusting' pictures - now I am intrigued - where are they?  Are they really gruesome?  :wink:


Hey you know I just realized that Zhowar must have changed his post.  The reason that I actually referenced it again was because Zho had made a comment about my original post. He must have changed it or deleted it just before I was going to make my post. :?


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Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:37 pm 
 

I'm sorry about that. I posted something like "yes, definitely not work safe" but then I thought it was a pointless post so I deleted it. I think it only existed for about 30 seconds! You must've quoted it right when I deleted it, so that it captured my previous post.

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Post Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:46 pm 
 

The 2nd Print Alpha is on the way to becoming the "upside-down airplane stamp" of D&D collecting. Funnily, this stamp was just in the news:

"Rare stamp May Be on Envelope in Florida Ballot Box"

In 60 years, the article will be "Rare DMG May Have Actually Been Used for DMing".

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Post Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:03 am 
 

Okay guys, I am willing to help any way I can with research on my copy of this rarity. The WIFE is the one that decided we should hang onto it for now. I will park it safely along with my three other super-rare/one-of-a-kind D&D works/pieces for this time. I am willing to do anything I can to help with researching this item though. Let me know what I can do or what anyone needs for me to do and I will help in any way I can. The expediency of my help is going to be sporadic for a while though, we just purchased a big, beautiful home last Friday and will be moving in over the next few weeks and then unpacking over the next few years.

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