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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:08 pm 
 

Oh and I hate to break it everyone, but 2 extremely important things:

1)  How do we really know that this book is actually legit? I say this b/c it would not be entirely impossible to actually rebound a DMG with those MM pages in them. :?

2)  Secondly and even more importantly, a price like this is certainly going to potentially encourage others to at least attempt to do so.

Something to think about....


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:09 pm 
 

I have to admit, it did occur to me.  That would be a dark turn of events, not necessarily in this case, but in future auctions.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:12 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:I have to admit, it did occur to me.  That would be a dark turn of events, not necessarily in this case, but in future auctions.


Seriously, I would think it would much easier to try and rebound a DMG with those pages in it and get away with it then it  be to sell photocopies or fakes of certain other items.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:17 pm 
 

1)  How do we really know that this book is actually legit? I say this b/c it would not be entirely impossible to actually rebound a DMG with those MM pages in them. :?
- two sides of same sheet. not so easy except in china.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:24 pm 
 

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:1)  How do we really know that this book is actually legit? I say this b/c it would not be entirely impossible to actually rebound a DMG with those MM pages in them. :?
- two sides of same sheet. not so easy except in china.


I guess that I am missing something here.  :?


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:35 pm 
 

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I think he is referring to this in the Acaeum description:
In this case, the printer printed one side of the sheet with the DMG pages and the other with the Monster Manual pages.  When they were cut and bound, alternating pairs of facing pages were thus either DMG or MM pages.


I take this to mean that the pages all have DMG on one side and MM on the other side - so it's not as simple as taking a chunk of the MM and putting it in a DMG. On the other hand, the photo in this particular auction does not establish the alternating sheets.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:35 pm 
 

http://www.acaeum.com/ddindexes/setpages/dmg.html
In this case, the printer printed one side of the sheet with the DMG pages and the other with the Monster Manual pages

must reprint or splice pages to create same. not just use MM pages.

  


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:35 pm 
 

You can say that again... :D


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:36 pm 
 

I take this to mean that the pages all have DMG on one side and MM on the other side - so it's not as simple as taking a chunk of the MM and putting it in a DMG. On the other hand, the photo in this particular auction does not establish the alternating sheets.
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:38 pm 
 

Rakeesh sah Tarna wrote:- two sides of same sheet. not so easy except in china.


Let's see, r/t plane ticket to China:  $780.

Cost of printing & binding 25 - 50 DMG/MMs:  probably $100.

Tempting, no?


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:39 pm 
 

Let's see, r/t plane ticket to China:  $780.
Cost of printing & binding 25 - 50 DMG/MMs:  probably $100.
Tempting, no?
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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:40 pm 
 

Heh, its still possible though.  

One thing that I would suggest though that if you are looking for more pictures of that book, YOU DO NOT LOOK THROUGH THAT SELLERS OTHER PHOTOS.  Not only are there some NSFW pictures in there, but they are actually quite disgusting.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:04 pm 
 

I distinctly remember another acaeum member posting that they had a copy of this book . . .  I don't think I've seen them in awhile (and they weren't a very frequent, 500+ poster) . . . but I can't for the life of me remember who it was.

Anyone remember?


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:27 pm 
 

Yeah, I've been racking (or wracking) my brain trying to remember who that was...

For some reason Paul keeps coming to mind, but I don't think it was him.  

How about the guy who sold his ST1 privately on the site about 1 1/2 years ago?


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:31 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:Yeah, I've been racking (or wracking) my brain trying to remember who that was...

For some reason Paul keeps coming to mind, but I don't think it was him.  

How about the guy who sold his ST1 privately on the site about 1 1/2 years ago?


Paul would be right, because I think Stormber posted he had one in his initial research post about DMG printings.  However . . . I am thinking of someone else.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:36 pm 
 

Well, I just bumped all the pertinent threads that I could find on the subject. I didn't read through all of them though. Perhaps if its not listed in any of those threads, Paul may remember himself as he is the one who did all the research on the 1st print DMG.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:37 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Well, I just bumped all the pertinent threads that I could find on the subject. I didn't read through all of them though. Perhaps if its not listed in any of those threads, Paul may remember himself as he is the one who did all the research on the 1st print DMG.


Just found it clarkie and I bumped it up.


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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:47 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Oh and I hate to break it everyone, but 2 extremely important things:

1)  How do we really know that this book is actually legit? I say this b/c it would not be entirely impossible to actually rebound a DMG with those MM pages in them. :?

2)  Secondly and even more importantly, a price like this is certainly going to potentially encourage others to at least attempt to do so.

Something to think about....

Well, I admit I was slightly surprised at the last three bids, but we all knew this was going for a bundle, didn't we?  The aforementioned "big guns" were interested after all.  :wink:

Legit?  We don't know, except on the word of the seller.  Hopefully if the winner is an Acaeum member, they'll be so kind as to provide a detailed analysis of the book.

In any event, there's always someone willing to risk at least a couple hundred bucks on these auctions.  I'm sure we'll see more in the future, if only that people will be encouraged to check their copies.  Perhaps a fake or two, but I really think most scammers realize there are easier ways to make money if you're willing to be dishonest.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:49 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Oh and I hate to break it everyone, but 2 extremely important things:

1)  How do we really know that this book is actually legit? I say this b/c it would not be entirely impossible to actually rebound a DMG with those MM pages in them. :?

2)  Secondly and even more importantly, a price like this is certainly going to potentially encourage others to at least attempt to do so.

Something to think about....


The last copy went for about $500, and there was no expectation this was going to rise to such a level (although I did predict $1000 on the sale, still low).  Being as such, it really would be much easier to counterfeit a known commodity like a Fazzlewood, Lost Tamoachan, ST1, etc which have all historically gone for more than $500.  The choice of a DMG alpha is such an odd target for a counterfeit copy, any intelligent crook would shy away from such an unknown commodity and choose something that has a track record for sales.

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Post Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:02 pm 
 

Howdy All,


Just to clarify. The DMG price of $562 was for a Dave Sutherland 1st print. There is a continuing misperception about this. It was a 1st print.

The 2nd Alpha that just sold is now one of 3 prints that we know of: mine, pleveich's, and now this one. No others have ever sold on eBay correctly identified as 2nd Alpha printings. This is a first.

The confusion is because the Sutherland auction was the first time anyone identified the 1st printing as we now know it. Before that the DMG with MM pages was considered the 1st print. When I changed the chronology by way of research, Scott assumed I was using the old chronology in the auction listing and he applied my new chronology to Dave's 1st print, calling it a 2nd Alpha. So the one listed under the section on DMG values at the Acaeum as a 2nd Alpha is actually a 1st print.

Also, the rarest DMG is the 3rd Beta because it never made it to outer shipping. It is likely that only 1 or 2 exist if any.


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