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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:58 am 
 

I have a simple answer for this topic.
Who is the grand master collector in any realm of collecting?
The dude or group with the most money........... :roll:


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:47 am 
 

Aneoth wrote:I have a simple answer for this topic.
Who is the grand master collector in any realm of collecting?
The dude or group with the most money........... :roll:


Money has alot to do with it. :?


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:51 am 
 

Not to mention luck, timing, and vigilance.  Take, for instance, the 3rd print woody that went for $200.   8)


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:53 am 
 

bombadil wrote:Not to mention luck, timing, and vigilance.  Take, for instance, the 3rd print woody that went for $200.   8)


Or how about the 2nd print Woody that went for $500.....


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:58 am 
 

And don't forget the 1st print that went for $1000 (or was it less?).  8)  8)


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:01 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:And don't forget the 1st print that went for $1000 (or was it less?).  8)  8)


Mine was like ~$676, although its condition certainly reflected that price at the time.


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:04 pm 
 

Wow, that's right.  I had forgotten it was so low.  Incredible.

What about the one Paul highlighted here last fall?  No one seemed to realize it was a 1st print, and it went for around $900-something didn't it?


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:05 pm 
 

bombadil wrote:Wow, that's right.  I had forgotten it was so low.  Incredible.

What about the one Paul highlighted here last fall?  No one seemed to realize it was a 1st print, and it went for around $900-something didn't it?


It did go for ~$900, but I thought that we never were able to figure out for sure if it was a first or second print.


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bclarkie wrote:
It did go for ~$900, but I thought that we never were able to figure out for sure if it was a first or second print.


Here is the thread that it was discussed:

the one that got away....


The winning bidder told Paul that he thought it was a first printing, but it seems David was less than convinced,.  :wink: It doesn't appear that we ever came to a full conclusion on that.


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bclarkie wrote:Here is the thread that it was discussed:

the one that got away....


The winning bidder told Paul that he thought it was a first printing, but it seems David was less than convinced,.  :wink: It doesn't appear that we ever came to a full conclusion on that.

It took a single email to the purchaser to confirm that the inside covers stated "2nd print". (Many thanks to them for their honesty, since otherwise I was having difficulty explaining the visible characteristics).
Was kinda waiting for Paul to update, but that wasn't forthcoming... Seemed like a simple enough question to me, anyhow. :)

Re. the 2nd print @ $500. Strange you should mention...
Another saga spooled off the back of one of us stating false price expectations to a seller. Some things don't change around here, alas.
Neither yourself or the previous (eventual) purchaser played any negative role in that; just benefited from someone else who did (IMHO).

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:56 pm 
 

faro wrote:
Re. the 2nd print @ $500. Strange you should mention...
Another saga spooled off the back of one of us stating false price expectations to a seller. Some things don't change around here, alas.
Neither yourself or or the previous (eventual) purchaser played any negative role in that; just benefited from someone else who did (IMHO).

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David could you clarify this for me, even if its via PM.  :)


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bclarkie wrote:David could you clarify this for me, even if its via PM.  :)

That would probably be best, I'm sure. :)


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:33 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:I have a simple answer for this topic.
Who is the grand master collector in any realm of collecting?
The dude or group with the most money........... :roll:


I think if you asked any true art collector he/she would disagree with this statement.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:53 pm 
 

improvstone wrote:
aneoth wrote:I have a simple answer for this topic.
Who is the grand master collector in any realm of collecting?
The dude or group with the most money........... :roll:


I think if you asked any true art collector he/she would disagree with this statement.

*g*. Amen to that... Certainly one of the fields where money holds an unequal sway but easy to work around that with so many unique items. (And even the richest private seller or Japanese bank cannot corner the market in a given "high selling" artist, anyhow :))

Commodity selling with mass publications such as comics (bad example/good example, dunno?) does tend to lead more to a "grandmaster" = "people/groups with the greatest funds" paradigm, however.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:54 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:Bah. What am I doing in this list? I only have a few things. (Okay, a thousand or three... usually two of each printing, one shrink one open, 'cause I'm a gamer.)

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faro wrote:Commodity selling with mass publications such as comics (bad example/good example, dunno?) does tend to lead more to a "grandmaster" = "people/groups with the greatest funds" paradigm, however....


OK I will agree to your valid point. My statement was far too broad.

However, I truly feel that (for the most part) my statement still applies to the collecting group of D&D enthusiasts; which does not include one of a kind Artwork in the sense that only one of each of them exists, so (realistically) no one collector could obtain them all.

In that regard, if one included one of a kind artwork like that in a true and complete D&D collection, then NO ONE could likely ever have one of everything D&D related.

BUT, It is not only possible, but quite likely that a person with nearly unlimited funds could easily (given enough time) have at least one complete collection of D&D items. Excluding one of a kind items of course and even that is possible, if those one of a kind items were avaliable at some price.

Mike (Badmike) for instance has what he feels might well be a one of a kind item in a rare newsletter, which EGG wrote an article for and even EGG does not have a copy. Mike told me that it could be for sale at the right price.

And no, Its outa my range.  8O


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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:01 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:
OK I will agree to your valid point. My statement was far too broad.

However, I truly feel that (for the most part) my statement still applies to the collecting group of D&D enthusiasts; which does not include one of a kind Artwork in the sense that only one of each of them exists, so (realistically) no one collector could obtain them all.

In that regard, if one included one of a kind artwork like that in a true and complete D&D collection, then NO ONE could likely ever have one of everything D&D related.

BUT, It is not only possible, but quite likely that a person with nearly unlimited funds could easily (given enough time) have at least one complete collection of D&D items. Excluding one of a kind items of course and even that is possible, if those one of a kind items were avaliable at some price.

Mike (Badmike) for instance has what he feels might well be a one of a kind item in a rare newsletter, which EGG wrote an article for and even EGG does not have a copy. Mike told me that it could be for sale at the right price.

And no, Its outa my range.  8O


I have to admit, it would be fun at one time to just put something idiotic for a bid on one of the Big Rares, because I've already promised myself I would never pay what they are really worth to have them. So yeh, I'm one of those who if they suddenly had unlimted funds would attempt to get "one of everything" along with very unique items that no one has.  There is very, very rarely not a top end price someone will take for something, especially if you just throw stupid money around (say, someone offered me half a million dollars for the roslof sketch I have), no matter what the sentimental value.

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Post Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:54 pm 
 

However, I truly feel that (for the most part) my statement still applies to the collecting group of D&D enthusiasts; which does not include one of a kind Artwork in the sense that only one of each of them exists, so (realistically) no one collector could obtain them all.

In that regard, if one included one of a kind artwork like that in a true and complete D&D collection, then NO ONE could likely ever have one of everything D&D related.

BUT, It is not only possible, but quite likely that a person with nearly unlimited funds could easily (given enough time) have at least one complete collection of D&D items. Excluding one of a kind items of course and even that is possible, if those one of a kind items were avaliable at some price.


I think you are contradicting yourself... but I agree with your conclusion.

If funds were truly unlimited, then surely one buyer could own all the fancy artwork in the world. If I offer $1 trillion for a painting.. no one would turn it down. Now while this scenario isn't realistic (as you indicate), the pecularity only arises due to the scale of the market (most rare paintings go for a lot of money).

That D&D collecting arena operates on a far lesser scale than artwork  doesn't change that people will pay for things only if a) they value it for as much or more than the price they pay, or b) they can profit by it as an investment.

Money has everything to do with (b) but only to a lesser extent with (a). With respect to (a), if I don't value a Spiderman comic book at $1000, no increase in my income will make me want to buy it at that price (not that there's anything wrong with collecting comics). However, if I already value it at $1000 but simply cannot afford it, then more money will enable me to buy it (as presumably is the case with Mike and some of the rares).

Therefore, Aneoth's assessment is 100% accurate in the case where either most rpg collectors are investors and/or most people cite, primarily, financial constraints as a barrier to buying the items they want at market prices. In my opinion, this is probably a good slice of the rpg community.

  
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