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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:22 am 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:In any event, this is patently false. Derogatory e-mails can be grounds for defamation.. opinions as a defense is hardly certain.. not in the US anyways.


Rather than the legal route (which people should leave for important issues) why don't you take a step back and look at the series of events which lead to the message.  You may just find there are certain behaviours that can be changed which would make life here easier on all of us.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:25 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:I hope that you didn't do that because of my PM, that was certainly not my intent. :?


Nope... had discussions long before now.

bclarkie wrote:And getting back to the subject at hand, I think that I/O needs to be on that list somehwere. :wink:


Added ... keep them coming ... I think I am going to start a list with everyones Acaeum Name, eBay Name and real Name ...  :cry:

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:27 am 
 

While Frank's statements can be a bit strong his sentiment is spot on.  


So because we're not pals gives anyone license to defame me? This is incredible.

You certainly don't listen while you are more than happy to shovel your ideas down everyone elses throat.  Not the type of behaviour I would look for in a person who I wanted to have a conversation with.  


You can equivocate all you wish. If you don't like my ideas don't read them. Simple. But to hide behind this razor thin veil as a justification for all kinds of cruel words is just shameful.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:28 am 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
In any event, this is patently false. Derogatory e-mails can be grounds for defamation.. opinions as a defense is hardly certain.. not in the US anyways.


Okay, lets try this again :!:  Libel is not a criminal offense, it is a civil one.  In order to win a civil case, you have to prove financial loss.  Do you really think that even the most desperate ambulance chaser attorney is going to assist you in a libel suit based on the fact that someone called you a name on a message board???


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:31 am 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
In any event, this is patently false. Derogatory e-mails can be grounds for defamation.. opinions as a defense is hardly certain.. not in the US anyways.


So much for him NOT responding unless it was to an apology.  :roll:
I hate it when people outright lie to others.

Of course that is typical of forum trolls.

Damn, there goes the rest of that case...time to get out the special brew  :D


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:32 am 
 

Just proved it again .. you don't listen ...

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:35 am 
 

Maybe I can sue him

Reason-

He lied when he said he would not responde unless it was to an apology

My loss-

The six pack I needed to drink as I had to read through his drivel to see if there was a worthwhile post left by real forum members.

Hey bclarkie, will I win  :lol:


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:37 am 
 

Kosh Vorlontay wrote:Maybe I can sue him

Reason-

He lied when he said he would not responde unless it was to an apology

My loss-

The six pack I needed to drink as I had to read through his drivel to see if there was a worthwhile post left by real forum members.

Hey bclarkie, will I win  :lol:


No but you better leave me some beer  :lol:


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:38 am 
 

improvstone wrote:
No but you better leave me some beer  :lol:


Done and done  :D


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:38 am 
 

Rather than the legal route (which people should leave for important issues) why don't you take a step back and look at the series of events which lead to the message.  You may just find there are certain behaviours that can be changed which would make life here easier on all of us.


I think its clear that voicing an opinion (objectivity of value, and pricing ethics) that had the potential to change the paradigm of how some people approached collecting was ambitious. But I can hardly see how injecting new ideas into any conversation can be considered "poor behavior".

I've kept my comments stricly unpersonal and civil. When I've crossed the line -- by my words being misinterpreted or my tone misread -- I've quickly apologized. I receive no such treatment by others.

Aside from the one exchange with Brian, I don't recall any comment I've made that has personally offended others. If I have, please cite and I will retract or apologize.

Look, I'm not looking to be friends with anyone unless they so wish it. But I do expect to be treated with civility and not be subjected to insults in every post I read. This is common decency and everyone here should be able to adhere to that very basic standard.

I will continue to use Acaeum as a website for a resource to further my collection and trading endeavors. I will continue to contribute my ideas to various threads in this forum. I'm not going anywhere.

As such, I hardly see how persistent hostility -- by a few -- serves any purpose whatsoever other than annoying the rest of the members on this site, clogging threads with useless bickering, and acting as a source of poisonous gossip.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:41 am 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
I think its clear that voicing an opinion (objectivity of value, and pricing ethics) that had the potential to change the paradigm of how some people approached collecting was ambitious. But I can hardly see how injecting new ideas into any conversation can be considered "poor behavior".

I've kept my comments stricly unpersonal and civil. When I've crossed the line -- by my words being misinterpreted or my tone misread -- I've quickly apologized. I receive no such treatment by others.

Aside from the one exchange with Brian, I don't recall any comment I've made that has personally offended others. If I have, please cite and I will retract or apologize.

Look, I'm not looking to be friends with anyone unless they so wish it. But I do expect to be treated with civility and not be subjected to insults in every post I read. This is common decency and everyone here should be able to adhere to that very basic standard.

I will continue to use Acaeum as a website for a resource to further my collection and trading endeavors. I will continue to contribute my ideas to various threads in this forum. I'm not going anywhere.

As such, I hardly see how persistent hostility -- by a few -- serves any purpose whatsoever other than annoying the rest of the members on this site, clogging threads with useless bickering, and acting as a source of poisonous gossip.



Uh.....so shut up and stop posting??  hic :!:
That would work out the best for all here. hic :!:


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:41 am 
 

Okay, lets try this again   Libel is not a criminal offense, it is a civil one.  In order to win a civil case, you have to prove financial loss.  Do you really think that even the most desperate ambulance chaser attorney is going to assist you in a libel suit based on the fact that someone called you a name on a message board???


I wasn't seeking to launch a civil action, silly. I was appealing to the common decency of this board to not tolerate unfounded derogatory statements of the worst kind.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:42 am 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:
I wasn't seeking to launch a civil action, silly. I was appealing to the common decency of this board to not tolerate unfounded derogatory statements of the worst kind.


So we can comment on your troll-worty complextion and it will be "OK"?

hic  :!:


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:43 am 
 

Sea-to-sky-games wrote:As such, I hardly see how persistent hostility -- by a few -- serves any purpose whatsoever other than annoying the rest of the members on this site, clogging threads with useless bickering, and acting as a source of poisonous gossip.


STS, I think that maybe you are underestimating the amount of people out there who have hostile feelings towards you.  Just because people have not been vocal in their feelings towards you, does not mean that they don't feel a certain way, they just choose to keep their thoughts to themselves or leave them in private with others. This may or may not affect your feelings on the matter, but perhaps you need to understand the fact that there are those that feel just as strongly and in some circumstances even more strongly, in spite of the fact that they have yet to post those feelings in public.


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:48 am 
 

STS, goodbye end of discussion.  Back to the story ....
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While Frank's statements can be a bit strong his sentiment is spot on.  You certainly don't listen while you are more than happy to shovel your ideas down everyone elses throat.  Not the type of behaviour I would look for in a person who I wanted to have a conversation with.  

So as Frank originally, and rightly so,  suggested who are the current grandmasters.  I have started the list ....

Collection:
FoulFoot/Scott (Unless he has sold his collection? - last time we have spoken he hadn't)
Faro/Harami/David
ExTSR/Frank M
Robilar/Rob Kuntz
Invincible Overlord/Mike
chromaticknight/Mike
stratochamp/Bill/Bil171771717 (hell I can't remember the sequence of numbers :roll: )
Shane (nominated for a very nice JG collection)
Brette (An Aussie on the list very cool)
Lawrenson/ Malcom

Knowledge:
FoulFoot/Scott
Faro/Harami
ExTSR/Frank M
Robilar/Rob Kuntz
Deadlord/Frank F (not sure about your collection anymore?)
Invincible Overlord/ Mike
deimos3428/
chromaticknight/Mike
grodog/Allan
Brette (knowledge of the fanzines)
Mark Shultz' (knowledge of non-tsr)
Mars' / Mark's (experience with his own collection)

Influence:
ExTSR/Frank M - I have to put Frank in all  three categories - He is the grandmaster's grandmaster  :D
Robilar/Rob Kuntz - The man who has help keep the flame alive


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:53 am 
 

I could see adding at least two names to the "knowledge" category: Deimos, the all-time print-run junkie  :) ... and (suck-up alert!) FoulFoot himself. Foul doesn't post much, but that's not from a lack of D&D lore.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:55 am 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:I could see adding at least two names to the "knowledge" category: Deimos, the all-time print-run junkie  :) ... and (suck-up alert!) FoulFoot himself. Foul doesn't post much, but that's not from a lack of D&D lore.


I always figured that Lord Foulfoot WAS the grandaddy of collectors due to this site  :?:  8)


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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:55 am 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:I could see adding at least two names to the "knowledge" category: Deimos, the all-time print-run junkie  :) ... and (suck-up alert!) FoulFoot himself. Foul doesn't post much, but that's not from a lack of D&D lore.


Deimos is defintely a print run junkie, but the all time greatest print run junkie has to be chromaticknight. :wink:   I would certainly put him up there for both collection size and knowledge.  Mike may in fact be the largest material contributor to the site outside of Foul himself.


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