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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:09 am 
 

faro wrote:(Unless those runes unlock some extra key in the module, that is... :))


Perhaps if you bring all the runic copies together at the right time you can open a portal to somewhere (perhaps a distand land, another plane of existance, or a janitorial closet in the old TSR headquarters).

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killjoy32 wrote:yeah hey we could have Runics AA to ZZ and then maybe AAA to ZZZ too, there thats another 52 copies :D

No XYZZY, then?


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killjoy32 wrote:
yeah hey we could have Runics AA to ZZ and then maybe AAA to ZZZ too, there thats another 52 copies :D

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Actually that would be 140556 (52*52*52 - 52) more copies, assuming AAA, AAB, AAC, etc.  With that many copies there would probably be a distinct drop in value.

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NetRodent wrote:
Actually that would be 140556 (52*52*52 - 52) more copies, assuming AAA, AAB, AAC, etc.


dya know there is always one to complicate things :)

AAA, BBB, CCC etc not feckin AAA, AAB  :?

oh well we will just have to stick with A to Z :)

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:12 am 
 

NetRodent wrote:
Actually that would be 140556 (52*52*52 - 52) more copies, assuming AAA, AAB, AAC, etc.


Why not just have Bronze, Silver, Gold and Green Runic sets. Each costs more and perhaps has an extra encounter for each level above the basic. That way you could have 104 specials each level better than the previous and then have 300 or 400 basic.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:20 am 
 

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Perhaps if you bring all the runic copies together at the right time you can open a portal to somewhere (perhaps a distand land, another plane of existance, or a janitorial closet in the old TSR headquarters).


OOO!  Must...post...off....topic.....

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:06 am 
 

I think its going to be interesting to see if the next time around(if there is one) and one person picks up all the runic copies at once, especially if they are not a known, or even worse a not liked individual...........


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:24 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:I think its going to be interesting to see if the next time around(if there is one) and one person picks up all the runic copies at once, especially if they are not a known, or even worse a not liked individual...........


I would never do that. My pockets aren't quite deep enough.  :wink:


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:28 am 
 

You seem to be approaching this from a different mindset, Doug, as that cannot possibly be my "justification" in such purchases. Thanks for telling me my intention and telling Rob his intention, though.


Not at all, I'm sure that most people's justification is strictly from a collecting standpoint and to support Rob's endeavor.  I'm definitely not questioning Rob's.  But, evidently seven people bought all 26 runic copies.  That's an average of 3+ each!  Not that they knew they would necessarily get runic copies, but they did.

In your example above (where you need to buy at least four more copies), people can circumvent using other IDs/cards or else they'll just not bother and buy a max of 1 limited + 1 runic (total $40). Where as before they might have purchased 5 runics (total $125) or else tempted by 3 limited + 3 runic, say (total $105).
In the worst case, that's an $85 "loss" in sponsorship custom to Rob... even if it spreads the copies you appear to desire out a bit further


Actually, in the example I gave you would need to buy a total of 4 numbered copies before you could get another runic.  So, a sponsor could buy: (2) 1R + 1N, (3) 1R + 2N, (4) 1R + 3N, (5) 1R + 4N, (6) 2R + 4N, (7) 2R + 5N etc.

Could this method could sell more just as quickly?  Who knows?  It's just an idea.
Is it a little more complicated?  Yes, but not too bad.
Could people "cheat" the system?  Yes, but probably not the people that are sponsoring/supporting.

It would be nice for as many sponsor-level people as possible to be rewarded for their extra contributions.  Bear in mind that the numbered copies are a motivation too, and many elect to go that route instead.  You must be a sponsor to even qualify for the runic copies.

ummm bit of a flaw in that comment there DB. look at some of the other stuff that we collect. how many copies of one item do you have, or do you just have one of everything?

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ps. dont forget though, in the end, its Rob's decision what he wants to do with that. one thing i will say though, if you (and i dont just mean you DB am talking generally) went on PPPs site more often and checked info on the forums, you would have got the msg quicker that they were for sale.


Hello Al,

Okay, my comment could be flawed or badly stated, but one might be inclined to perhaps resell a couple copies if they had more than three?

With respect to going on PPP sites more often.  That would be difficult since I think the notice came out in the middle of the work day.  I didn't find out until around 6:00 PM EST.

And as a general comment, I wouldn't recommend producing additional runic copies.  It dilutes the limited nature of them.  There are 500 numbered copies too.

I think its going to be interesting to see if the next time around(if there is one) and one person picks up all the runic copies at once, especially if they are not a known, or even worse a not liked individual...........


Interesting point.  There is nothing to prevent that.  And nothing wrong with it either.  It would be unfortunate though.

Bottom line, I'm happy to sponsor Rob's endeavors.  Just trying to offer some constructive input!

  

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:46 am 
 

dbartman wrote:
Interesting point.  There is nothing to prevent that.  And nothing wrong with it either.  It would be unfortunate though.

Bottom line, I'm happy to sponsor Rob's endeavors.  Just trying to offer some constructive input!


wll i am way below the average of 3+ so thats me out of the picture



  

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dbartman wrote:
Interesting point.  There is nothing to prevent that.  And nothing wrong with it either.  It would be unfortunate though.

Bottom line, I'm happy to sponsor Rob's endeavors.  Just trying to offer some constructive input!


hey DB

well i guess if someone bought a lot of them, then if the reason was that they were going to get them as an investment, well thats their decision at the end of the day. what they choose to do with them is up to them really isnt it. this is that age old argument of collector v investor. i am a bit of both, but there are some things i just get to collect and thats that. this is one of them. i dont buy more than i need. the runics are to collect and i will get a normal copy to read and play.

i have offered 1 of my runics to someone as a kind gesture, but the offer was graciously declined.

i think Robs attitude to it all in the end, is first-come, first-served. nothing wrong with that at all.

one thing re the PPP site is that i and others live in the UK. normally when there is a notification, it is at an un-sociable hour and we are normally last, but we all knew this was coming and so primed things ready for it.

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:02 pm 
 

I just wanted to point out the obvious, that unless Rob or someone in his organization reads here then, all the concerns expressed are just venting and if that is what is desired then ok. If there are serious concerns then someone will want to make Rob aware of these by either directing them here, to read the messages or by relaying the information. In the end though you can't expect to regulate the behaviour of others. Let me say that I am pointing this out not against any individuals or saying it in a negative fashion...we have people with multiple copies of items that cost thousands of dollars each or in some cases only  high hundreds of dollars each....how can you expect to them not buy up limited quantity items that are sub $30 each.

If you have any hope to get the situation where more people can have the "ultra-rare","chase" modules then someone needs to try and change it at the source. For the record I want to say this is not against Rob. I have not cared to order one of the "super limited' edition copies in either module now, but if things aren't resolved to your satisfaction I will again point out that in a retail situation your most powerful voice is not being a participant in the transaction and then taking your business to their competitors. It of couse goes with out saying...but I will...you can not then feed the other side of the transaction by buying what you could not get originally from who has become the middleman.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:06 pm 
 

well you are quite welcome to go over to the PPP site, which has a forum too and voice these concerns there too.

Rob is always open to suggestions, so thats the best way to make him aware of them.

i have e-mailed him and discussed the matter on the phone too. he is more than aware of this debate.

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killjoy32 wrote:well you are quite welcome to go over to the PPP site, which has a forum too and voice these concerns there too.

Rob is always open to suggestions, so thats the best way to make him aware of them.

i have e-mailed him and discussed the matter on the phone too. he is more than aware of this debate.

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I have no concerns. I was just adding my $.02 and killing time...because I have no life  :lol: ...posting here. Glad to here Rob is aware of the concerns though. I would like to see the line continue...maybe someday I can get one of the Runic copies  :twisted:  -jk


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:16 pm 
 

I only have 2 as well.  I am also not on the list because someone on the list ordered 5 but really only wanted 2 so 3 became available and I was next in line.  Thanks btw!

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:26 pm 
 

RJK or one of the other collaborators in the PPP publishing empire do monitor this board. They are more than aware that a large portion of the pre-order money resides here. I am sure they will give due consideration to peoples comments.


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mbassoc2003 wrote:RJK or one of the other collaborators in the PPP publishing empire do monitor this board. They are more than aware that a large portion of the pre-order money resides here. I am sure they will give due consideration to peoples comments.


How right you are!!  :D  Rob and I will be assembling a bunch of orders tomorrow for all of you. This has been a concern of mine also. I'm all for one or two runic copies per person. Spread the happiness and wealth for everyone interested! I'll be pestering him on this topic to be sure!

By the way, I don't have runic copies of either one.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:00 pm 
 

I'm in a minority here, obviously.

I preordered & prepaid for 5 CoSK to support Rob's new endeavor.

But I've seen nothing so far. No contact, except a request for even more money. No emailed thank-you, not even a form letter. (I have investors in my two companies. This isn't how you treat investors.)

And now I'm in the midst of major activity, heading to GenCon.
And ToB is being co-authored; it's not pure Kuntz.

The preorder for ToB should have come hard on the heels of the arrival of CoSK, not while it's still vapor. The timing sucks. The planning sucks. The treatment of investors sucks.

So I'm not in on the second release at all. Not even one.

As one of the earliest supporters of CoSK, I expected to get a chance for an early buy-in on ToB, prenotification perhaps. I could and would have put another hundred or two into Rob's pot. But since I'm busy and wasn't checking my email each hour of each day, I missed out on this one entirely. So now other collector/investors have bought up all the runics & numbered copies for stockpiling, and Rob's system allows for and even encourages that.

Since I wasn't worth the consideration of Pied Piper, my support isn't worth my consideration either. I'm out.

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:17 pm 
 

ExTSR wrote:I'm in a minority here, obviously.

I preordered & prepaid for 5 CoSK to support Rob's new endeavor.

But I've seen nothing so far. No contact, except a request for even more money. No emailed thank-you, not even a form letter. (I have investors in my two companies. This isn't how you treat investors.)

And now I'm in the midst of major activity, heading to GenCon.
And ToB is being co-authored; it's not pure Kuntz.

The preorder for ToB should have come hard on the heels of the arrival of CoSK, not while it's still vapor. The timing sucks. The planning sucks. The treatment of investors sucks.

So I'm not in on the second release at all. Not even one.

As one of the earliest supporters of CoSK, I expected to get a chance for an early buy-in on ToB, prenotification perhaps. I could and would have put another hundred or two into Rob's pot. But since I'm busy and wasn't checking my email each hour of each day, I missed out on this one entirely. So now other collector/investors have bought up all the runics & numbered copies for stockpiling, and Rob's system allows for and even encourages that.

Since I wasn't worth the consideration of Pied Piper, my support isn't worth my consideration either. I'm out.

::shrug::

IF I like CoSK, I'll probably buy one ToB. Perhaps.


It's an issue you should contact Rob about!


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:43 pm 
 

Deogolf wrote:It's an issue you should contact Rob about!


You have it backwards, sir.

It's an issue that Rob (or his business manager) should contact his investor/supporters about.

And it's none of my business how Rob chooses to handle his investors. I have my own businesses to worry about.

  
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