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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:06 pm 
 

Not to bitch but wouldn't it be better if each person was entitled to one runic copy instead of a bunch of them?

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:22 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:
Runic Copies went to:

David Witts
Ian Montgomery
Derrick Landwehr
Mark Holloway
Lance Ofenloch
Alan Silcock
Devin Hibbs

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:25 pm 
 

Wow...that was fast....maybe he should have offered just a few more runic copies?

They  certainly would have sold.

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:35 pm 
 

Plaag wrote:
Runic Copies went to:

David Witts
Ian Montgomery
Derrick Landwehr
Mark Holloway
Lance Ofenloch
Alan Silcock
Devin Hibbs

ShaneG.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:47 pm 
 

MShipley88 wrote:Wow...that was fast....maybe he should have offered just a few more runic copies?


And use Greek or Hebrew letters, praps? ;)



  


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:36 pm 
 

dbartman wrote:Not to bitch but wouldn't it be better if each person was entitled to one runic copy instead of a bunch of them?


Yes, that's one of the things I'll be talking to Rob about again for the next book, dbartman....


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:36 pm 
 

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And use Greek or Hebrew letters, praps? ;)


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:12 am 
 

grodog wrote:Yes, that's one of the things I'll be talking to Rob about again for the next book, dbartman....

No easy solution to that, Allan. :)

The total print run is only 500 (limited, signed, numbered), and that should be the main focus for people worried 'bout not picking up a copy in time, I'd've thought. (As with DCC, say... or CotSK).

The runic copies are just an extra, and a quick injection of cash to get the ball rolling, no? (If anyone is /really/ going for the smallest edition, authors copies are more "desirable"... ;))
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If those numbers are either increased or decreased, the sales may actually be slower; although an obvious "solution" might be to only allow one such purchase per "regular" copy, phps?
Whatever; it's already a lot more "fair" than an eBay auction where the person without enough money, or who's 10 seconds late, ends up with nothing.

Now, how many of the 500 are left? ;)


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:17 am 
 

faro wrote:If those numbers are either increased or decreased, the sales may actually be slower; although an obvious "solution" might be to only allow one such purchase per "regular" copy, phps?


i think that kinda sounds the most sensible idea. i will be buying regular copies too, so that i can read them. the runic ones are just for collecting purposes. i just ordered the same as last time. someone musta bought a load of em :) (dont see the point of that tbh unless its for a commercial reason)

but yes...having the option of buying a runic copy IF you buy a regular copy is a good option too imo.

ppl not getting a look in, is a similar argument to one BC had some time back (forget the item now), where he was gunning for it and was outbid by someone who already has at least one and he was well pissed about it and maybe totally understandably so. but in the end, to rob, its just a sale and a good cash injection with the sponsorship.

maybe thats the thing, you should pay a sponsorship amount per item and not per order. that might stop ppl buying a bucket of runics instead of one?

either way, i am glad Rob has lots of orders flying in.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:00 am 
 

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i think that kinda sounds the most sensible idea. i will be buying regular copies too, so that i can read them. the runic ones are just for collecting purposes. i just ordered the same as last time. someone musta bought a load of em :) (dont see the point of that tbh unless its for a commercial reason)

but yes...having the option of buying a runic copy IF you buy a regular copy is a good option too imo.

ppl not getting a look in, is a similar argument to one BC had some time back (forget the item now), where he was gunning for it and was outbid by someone who already has at least one and he was well pissed about it and maybe totally understandably so. but in the end, to rob, its just a sale and a good cash injection with the sponsorship.

maybe thats the thing, you should pay a sponsorship amount per item and not per order. that might stop ppl buying a bucket of runics instead of one?

either way, i am glad Rob has lots of orders flying in.

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I can see where letting people buy up all the supply and hoard it for resale could in the long run hurt him. If people are buying them up to sit on them to sell them down the road (looking for an ST1 or the like) the people who would be buying them today to use them will get discouraged when they can't but them and may not look to buy others when released.

Then as the resellers have more and more money tied up in this they will most often (as the first few of a line are usually the collectable ones) slow or stop buying and haording. Now there is not that steady flow of income as the regualr buyers are no longer interested as they can count on Goodman Games (or others) to always have a supply  and the resellers think they have what will be hot in x years so they are not buying in large quantities anymore...and there goes the subscriber base they will need. You only need to look at the comic book and sports card industries to see what gimmacky marketing will get you.

I would suggest they have XXX limited number signed, foil imbossed. gold edges...whatever you get the idea... for the collectors and resellers  but do not limit the print run. If the purpose is to make a go of printing older material again and not just make some quick money then you have to build a loyal customer base and the best way to do that is to make sure they can get the product when they want it.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:18 am 
 

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I very much doubt there will be any limit to the print runs. Once the 500 signed copies are sold, I'd imagine if there is a percieved market, there will be a similar unnumberred print run to meet market demand.

As regards the runic copies (congrad's to David for the getting in first), if you increase their number you will decrease their rarity and that will decrease their appeal. Perhaps requiring a potential Runic investor to buy a corresponding numberred copy per runic copy would help, and it would keep the quick cash injection there. Possibly tweeking the price is another option.

But limiting people to one copy just reduces the amount of cash someone is willing to invest. If RJK has the potential to get $100+ from a single investor, why on earth would he then restrict that investor to contributing $25? That is probably the most assured way of destroying investment in your company I can think of.

Of course, we all know the rare copies are going to be the playtest copies and the editor's copy. And those are not available for sale ATM.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:36 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:Of course, we all know the rare copies are going to be the playtest copies and the editor's copy. And those are not available for sale ATM.[/color]

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well when and if they do, i will ensure that Rob gets quality value for their worth.

we're working on a few things atm, so there should be some nice tidbits up for sale before long.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:50 am 
 

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I very much doubt there will be any limit to the print runs. Once the 500 signed copies are sold, I'd imagine if there is a percieved market, there will be a similar unnumberred print run to meet market demand.

As regards the runic copies (congrad's to David for the getting in first), if you increase their number you will decrease their rarity and that will decrease their appeal. Perhaps requiring a potential Runic investor to buy a corresponding numberred copy per runic copy would help, and it would keep the quick cash injection there. Possibly tweeking the price is another option.

But limiting people to one copy just reduces the amount of cash someone is willing to invest. If RJK has the potential to get $100+ from a single investor, why on earth would he then restrict that investor to contributing $25? That is probably the most assured way of destroying investment in your company I can think of.

Of course, we all know the rare copies are going to be the playtest copies and the editor's copy. And those are not available for sale ATM.


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So in other words you are saying you are only purchasing them for finacial investment and no other reason.  That goes to the root of the concerns relayed then.  Being that there only 26 of them, if limiting the amount of copies of the Runic ones to one(or perhaps two) per person should not limit the investment you are putting into it, unless the product itself is already very deep in trouble.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:52 am 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:I very much doubt there will be any limit to the print runs. Once the 500 signed copies are sold, I'd imagine if there is a percieved market, there will be a similar unnumberred print run to meet market demand.


Rob specifically stated on the sponsorship page that there would be no reprints of "this special edition." I suppose that this does not rule out reprints of the module itself.



  

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:25 am 
 

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So in other words you are saying you are only purchasing them for finacial investment and no other reason.  That goes to the root of the concerns relayed then.  Being that there only 26 of them, if limiting the amount of copies of the Runic ones to one(or perhaps two) per person should not limit the investment you are putting into it, unless the product itself is already very deep in trouble.


I am an investor. I would not dream of playing with my Runic copy. I have bought a numberred copy which I can open and read. That makes perfect sence, and I imagine everyone who has bought a Runic copy has done the same thing.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:28 am 
 

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I am an investor. I would not dream of playing with my Runic copy. I have bought a numberred copy which I can open and read. That makes perfect sence, and I imagine everyone who has bought a Runic copy has done the same thing.


i will be yes. have mentioned this to Rob already, so that when he is ready to ship mine, i will square things up with him so i can have a normal copy too as i plan to play these with my group.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:58 am 
 

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I am an investor. I would not dream of playing with my Runic copy. I have bought a numberred copy which I can open and read. That makes perfect sence, and I imagine everyone who has bought a Runic copy has done the same thing.


So that means that you only bought one copy then? And if not what makes your investment any greater or more important than mine?  I am not trying to be critical, but they playing field should be leveled alot more then, "Well you happened to be in the right place at the right time".


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:44 pm 
 

I can see that it is a right place right time system, and that is annoying if you aren't there. But who knows where we will all be the next time.

As I said, thought. If you were obligated to but a numberred copy (or more than one) for each Runic copy, then you would limit the number of Runic copies someone could buy with their investment.

Lets say you had to pass through the Gold Dragon checkout before you could buy a Runic copy, then we'd all be only buying 1 copy and the Runic copies would be spread more evenly.

That said, I think if someone wanted to buy 25 numberred copies to secure 5 runic copies, they should be allowed to do so. The fact that they'd have to go through 10 PayPal transactions and invest $500+ to get there would also level the playing feild some what.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:15 pm 
 

mbassoc2003 wrote:I can see that it is a right place right time system, and that is annoying if you aren't there. But who knows where we will all be the next time.


I agree and in that circumstance it would be fair to those next time either.  In all honesty no matter the system in place with a limited number, someone(or several people) are going to be disappointed, but if you allow a larger exposure to the special copies less people will be in the long run.  Fact of the matter is even if It would be one per person, I seriously don't think selling all of the would be an issue anyway. :)

BTW Ian, I just sent you an email with a pic that I promised you awhile ago. Let me know if its okay.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:29 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:BTW Ian, I just sent you an email with a pic that I promised you awhile ago. Let me know if its okay.

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