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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:58 pm 
 

Too many threads to keep up with.  I've only Just noticed that we have a ST1 for sale. :oops:

And I didn't even get chance to get my name on the bidding list :cry:

Can you please make sure that similar threads have ST1 in the title in future :lol:

  

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:14 pm 
 

johnhuck wrote:Too many threads to keep up with.  I've only Just noticed that we have a ST1 for sale. :oops:

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Obviously too busy searching eBay for dice, or else actually have a life beyond D&D collecting?
(Congrats, John; and best wishes to y'all ;))

  

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:23 pm 
 

Hmm. This will be interesting, as we have one going up for sale at some point in a similar condition (tho its also one of only 4 ever signed by one of the authors. Mike Brunton).

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:25 pm 
 

VermilionFire wrote:I'll vouch for the seller, Greta Conroy, as well.

I recognised the name, but I'm not vouching. Actually, I'm more than a little bit annoyed...

*reads answers to ST1 questions*
Q:         Hi there. Are the staples rusty at all (even a teency weency bit)?
       Apr-05-06
A:         Not at all. The interior is near mint with the monster pages still attached. The only real wear is the kind that comes with the thinner TSR modules. For some reason the spine is prone to creasing and so there are the little creases running along the edge. Of the ten ST1s I've seen over the years, only one had no creases at all. The rest have little creases. This one has nine small creases along the spine and one on the upper right corner. The two bottom corners have a little wear. That's all. The rear of the cover is nicer than the front. I've never seen an ST1 with staple rust. That would suck, so I'm glad you asked. Thanks for your interest.

That bit about staple rust is a bare-faced lie.

The copy he's selling had a rusty staple which has also caused a tiny mark to the book.
If there's no staple rust now, he has either cleaned or replaced that staple.

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That is a very light crease to the booklet as well, btw.

Quote from the original, honest seller;
Thanks for those, they look great. I know the staples pics might put some people off, but I think it is only fair to show evryone what they would get. I don't really want any hassle when it's sold.

  


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:00 pm 
 

David, please check your PMs. :)


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:07 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:David, please check your PMs. :)

Reply sent.

And if anyone's seriously thinking about this, would advise evaluating the posts towards the foot of the previous page prior to doing so.
Can't stop anyone from bidding. :)

  


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:43 pm 
 

It should have been fun, but it is no longer.

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Farewell my friends.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:49 pm 
 

:!:  :?:

tfm, are you the seller or is that a picture sent to you by the seller? I can't quite tell whether or not there's staple rust there.

tfm, please don't leave, your posts are much appreciated. I don't buy much, so I don't have much to contribute to your threads, but I enjoy reading them.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:13 pm 
 

zhowar wrote:tfm, please don't leave, your posts are much appreciated. I don't buy much, so I don't have much to contribute to your threads, but I enjoy reading them.


Indeed. Especially your stump the forum thread.

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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:28 pm 
 

What is going on  :evil: Why was this auction cancelled :x


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:55 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:What is going on  :evil: Why was this auction cancelled :x


On Apr-06-06 at 16:53:05 PDT, seller added the following information:
Due to negative publicity on another website, I cannot in good conscience allow this auction to conclude.  This module will appear again in a few weeks for sale by another member for a charity benefit for a very good cause.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:46 pm 
 

So tfm is grettaconroy, I take it?


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:19 pm 
 

Howdy Folks,


The negative paranoia on this site just took an ST1 out of contention, from a good seller and steadfast member of this community. You guys assumed you knew which one this was and took harami's word over the seller. Now you probably know who the seller is and realize he has more than one copy. Further, the overiding paranoia and distrust may drive him from this site.

Guys we really need to stop witch hunting every thing that comes down the pipe. We are a community but this behavior is starting to fractionalize us. Help newbies, welcome strangers, give helpful advice, give the benefit of trust until proven otherwise. Innuendo and mob paranoia are not healthy for the community.

Heck there is a group of former Aacaeum folks that have moved on to do their own thing in a new - private - more civil site for just this reason. We lost them and now possibly another.

We need to deal with facts and *solid* evidence not off the cuff quips and innuendo.

I know you guys are trying to suss out the bad guys but you are cutting a little to close to the bone.

Now this doesn't apply to every member, the majority are positive, but the few are tainting the Acaeum community and making it less than hospitable.


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Post Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:43 pm 
 

I am so confused, did TFM leave the forum because someone called him a liar!  Was he actually selling this item?  Were the acusations Faro made incorrect?  I am so confused!  Jonb is one thing but TFM was a real collector!  :?


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:04 am 
 

The Collector's Trove wrote:Howdy Folks,


The negative paranoia on this site just took an ST1 out of contention, from a good seller and steadfast member of this community. You guys assumed you knew which one this was and took harami's word over the seller. Now you probably know who the seller is and realize he has more than one copy. Further, the overiding paranoia and distrust may drive him from this site.

Guys we really need to stop witch hunting every thing that comes down the pipe. We are a community but this behavior is starting to fractionalize us. Help newbies, welcome strangers, give helpful advice, give the benefit of trust until proven otherwise. Innuendo and mob paranoia are not healthy for the community.

Heck there is a group of former Aacaeum folks that have moved on to do their own thing in a new - private - more civil site for just this reason. We lost them and now possibly another.

We need to deal with facts and *solid* evidence not off the cuff quips and innuendo.

I know you guys are trying to suss out the bad guys but you are cutting a little to close to the bone.

Now this doesn't apply to every member, the majority are positive, but the few are tainting the Acaeum community and making it less than hospitable.


Futures Bright,

Paul

Actually, Paul I would very much appreciate an apology from you for getting PUBLICLY involved in slander with regards to something that is not your business and that you know nothing about, afaik.
The one person who could clarify the situation has chosen to say nothing.

I helped the previous owner of that ST1 sell the module and the scans of the cover match perfectly. Those have been forwarded to other trustworthy individuals, for their consideration, and are available for anyone else should they wish.
The story supplied this time around does not match the original item. The stated time period of the sale is incorrect (why?) and the booklet within did originally have staple rust. If the booklet has not been swapped (difficult to understand given the condition of the cover), someone has swapped the staples.

It does not matter whether the seller is a member of this community or not, questions needed to be answered, especially when we're talking about someone forking out well in excess of $1,000.

There is no "negative paranoia", there is no "witch hunting", there is no "innuendo"; I have "solid facts" (as good as can be expected, in this context) in the form of those scans.
Which is 1000% more than the various other members of this community often have when they slam various other items on eBay being run by people not belonging to the community.
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It is the same ST1 cover at least (and the condition is also somewhat worse than stated in that other eBay reply too-- no mention of the scratches, for example; and the creases are certainly not "little"/"small").

Thank you.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:41 am 
 

Unfortunately, this whole bag of shit is inadvertently my fault.  I contacted tfm and offered to host the damn scans so that some level of annonymity could be kept.

Obviously, there was some indication from members on this site that grettaconroy was a reputable seller.  He also has a low tolerance for people acting like a rude ass.

I have no idea if the copy in question is the same one as harami/faro is talking about, but I can assure everyone that in my opinion, the individual in question is honest and trustworthy and very concerned with the integrity of RPG collecting.

Why do you (faro) have to be so freakin' rude sometimes?  You're not a prosecuting attorney clamping down on an investigation.   Even if you thought you had valid points, you communicated them in a "superior-than-thou" and completely rude manner.   You question people's integrity constantly and will no doubt "demand" my apology as well for insulting you on a public forum.  Yet, you constantly make backhanded, subtle or outright critical comments and then "claim" some sort of moral highground for your position.


Most times you seem like a great guy . . . but others you come off as one of the biggest asses I know.



I now await your lengthy diatribe.


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Post Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:16 am 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:Why do you (faro) have to be so freakin' rude sometimes?  You're not a prosecuting attorney clamping down on an investigation.   Even if you thought you had valid points, you communicated them in a "superior-than-thou" and completely rude manner.   You question people's integrity constantly

With phrases like "The latest owner seems happy enough to re-scan on request, so might be easier to ask them for more as their scanner is better"?

Would you please read back through my posts from something approaching a neutral point of view.
I am more interested that the buyer gets exactly what it is they think they're getting.

And integrity is certainly no less important, given a four-figure auction.

If, for example, a seller claims (for whatever reason) that they bought an item long before they actually did, they are deliberately choosing to compromise their own integrity. Had they not done so, I could not be "blamed" for "questioning their integrity" by highlighting that fact.

Beyondthebreach wrote:and will no doubt "demand" my apology as well for insulting you on a public forum.  Yet, you constantly make backhanded, subtle or outright critical comments and then "claim" some sort of moral highground for your position.

There is no such "claim". By chance, I just happen to be the person who helped handle the sale of that copy (same cover), last time around.

  

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Post Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:28 am 
 

Beyondthebreach wrote:Unfortunately, this whole bag of shit is inadvertently my fault.  I contacted tfm and offered to host the damn scans so that some level of annonymity could be kept.

Can't see how that's your "fault", btb. I recognised the copy from the low-res scan, anyhow.

It should not matter whether a seller is a member of this board or otherwise.

  
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