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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:16 pm 
 

deimos3428 wrote:In a word, yes.  The Acaeum doesn't require advertising, you do.  If you're going to make money off of our hard work, credit your source.

You're just trying to cover your ass at this point.  Give it a rest.


Well, as mentioned above, the source has been credited.

I'm not going to defend myself on this forum again. Thank you for making it personal.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:51 pm 
 

argyrebasin wrote: Maybe it'll go for $1.99 or maybe it'll sell higher than $100 just like the Jade Hare I sold about 6 months ago. You never know what will happen on eBay and that's part of the chance you take when selling there.


Do you mean the Jade Hare that inisisted for weeks on end that was worth $199 in your auction listing, despite the fact that you came here first and asked and were told differently?

Are you really trying to take credit for the fact that we told you it was likely worth $100-$125 when it in fact sold for that much despite your repeated attempts to sell it for more than that? Really?

argyrebasin wrote:I could say BC selling a DMG for $266 is patently ridiculous but I don't because I'm a decent person.

Aside from the fact that *I* have already said it was ridiculous so it would't be off the mark, that price as has been noted in my posted happened in auction as a result of a crazy ass bidding war and still ended up $140 less than what you have listed now.  

You can list whatever you want for however much you want, its your option to do so. It's other people's option to criticize you for your listing.  If you don't want to be criticized, then don't list it for that much. If you want the option of listing it for whatever you want thats fine, just don't be surprised when you do in fact get criticized for it. Its pretty simple.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:55 pm 
 

smarmy1 wrote:Thanks for the info, Brian.   :D

No probs. :)

smarmy1 wrote:On a related note, are there any plans afoot with the other valuation board memebers to refresh the category 4 and 5 rares on this site?


Not that I know of, although any modifications to the actual site are done by Scott.  Other than that, the VB has been pretty much a grave yard for a good 6 months as far as activity goes, so I am not sure what is going to happen.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:58 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Aside from the fact that *I* have already said it was ridiculous so it would't be off the mark, that price as has been noted in my posted happened in auction as a result of a crazy ass bidding war and still ended up $140 less than what you have listed now.  

You can list whatever you want for however much you want, its your option to do so. It's other people's option to criticize you for your listing.  If you don't want to be criticized, then don't list it for that much. If you want the option of listing it for whatever you want thats fine, just don't be surprised when you do in fact get criticized for it. Its pretty simple.


"Are you really trying to take credit for the fact that we told you it was likely worth $100-$125 when it in fact sold for that much despite your repeated attempts to sell it for more than that? Really?"

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Trying to take credit? No, I'm not doing this for credit. I was pointing out that the price mentioned was around $100 and it sold for quite a bit higher although not as high as I had thought. $140 was the closing price. So yeah, it did sell higher.

Agreed. You can never tell what will happen. I sold a B10 not long ago for $105 with a start price of $29. I thought it was crazy at the time but evidently it was a result of a bidding war as well. You can say that about anything on eBay.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:52 pm 
 

I think you are missing the point of this thread.  Its called the "Silliest Auction Price of the Year".  I forget if bclarkie's $266 sale landed here or not - it probably should have.  Your auction at the original price of $499 and $399 certainly deserves to be here.

I'm not saying you won't find some sucker to go and pay that and you are certainly in your right to wait and try and attract such an idiot.  But that doesn't change the point of why your auction was posted here.  Your price is ridiculous.

At this point I'm not sure if you are trying defend that you think the price is fair or something else?

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:13 pm 
 

argyrebasin wrote:
"Are you really trying to take credit for the fact that we told you it was likely worth $100-$125 when it in fact sold for that much despite your repeated attempts to sell it for more than that? Really?"

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Trying to take credit? No, I'm not doing this for credit. I was pointing out that the price mentioned was around $100 and it sold for quite a bit higher although not as high as I had thought. $140 was the closing price. So yeah, it did sell higher.


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argyrebasin wrote:Hi Folks,

Trying to determine value for an original Jade Hare "give-away" module from 1992. There haven't been any auctions on Ebay in months and I can't find *ANY* for sale via a search on google. I'm beginning to think $170 for a MINT Jade is waaaaay under-valued. Thoughts?

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And it sold for $140?  Thats funny, I seem to remember it going in the $120 range.  Would you care to provide a link to the afforemention auction?


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:22 pm 
 

Here is a silly price




** expired eBay auction **




Silly low, congrats David :wink:



Could get a real good 1st print DMG for that :lol:


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:24 pm 
 

Mars wrote:I think you are missing the point of this thread.

Agreed.

Argy, it can be annoying to find one of your auctions listed in this thread; I know exactly how it feels (remember the L3, Brian? :wink:). And, frankly, Aneoth should have done a bit of research before making his initial post and/or just decided not to post an auction from a fellow Aceaum member. It's an unwritten courtesy that we usually adhere to; we don't try to call each other out.

At this point, though, I'm reminded of Queen Gertrude: you doth protest too much.

It's posted ... it's a pretty silly price ... it will either sell or it won't sell ... time to move on.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:01 pm 
 

argyrebasin wrote:Not to worry ladies, gents, & grouches. I'll just auction it someday and find out what happens. Maybe it'll go for $1.99 or maybe it'll sell higher than $100 just like the Jade Hare I sold about 6 months ago. You never know what will happen on eBay and that's part of the chance you take when selling there.

Just one question: Why the heck do you care what price I put on my items? I could say BC selling a DMG for $266 is patently ridiculous but I don't because I'm a decent person.

I'll say it one last time, if you don't like the price of something DON'T BUY IT.  I will still offer great D&D items at decent prices and, most importantly, I treat my customers with respect. Is it too much to ask the same from this community?

Good day to you all! Threads like this make selling a real joy.

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Bclarkie did not set out to sell his DMG for $266, the bidders went NUTS.
He did NOT start out with an insane BIN of $499, then reduce it to $399.

What a ... bleep.......


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:11 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:Here is a silly price


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Silly low, congrats David :wink:




I was thinking the same thing - nice pickup!

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:47 pm 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:......... And, frankly, Aneoth should have done a bit of research before making his initial post and/or just decided not to post an auction from a fellow Aceaum member. It's an unwritten courtesy that we usually adhere to; we don't [i]try to call each other out.[/i]
At this point, though, I'm reminded of Queen Gertrude: you doth protest too much.

It's posted ... it's a pretty silly price ... it will either sell or it won't sell ... time to move on.


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"It's an unwritten courtesy that we usually adhere to...."

Aneoth should have done a bit of research before making his initial post


What are you talking about?
Sorry, I must not be a full member I didnt get the unwritten courtesy memo........

NOPE, you dont make some comment like the one above and simply move on.

I will not waste my time to research the possibility of Acaeum membership for every seller who lists something at a ridiculous price on E-Bay.
AINT MY JOB!
And what difference does it make even if they are members here?

The ONLY research that ANY of us should do before posting to this thread it to notice a silliest auction listing/price of the year candidate on E-Bay.

I saw one…..
so
I reported it…..

Does not matter one whit to me if this guy is a member of the Acaeum or not.

As a matter of fact, considering the fact that this seller is a member of the Acaeum makes his case all the worse for his own credibility.
As a member of this forum he most likely knew beforehand the recent E-Bay prices for a DMG, and if not a simple search would reveal such mysteries to all who click the button.
So, His being a member here does not give him any sort of pass, in fact it makes his listing even MORE INSANE.
He should KNOW better!
Less excuse more ludicrous.

Read this threads title again.
Silliest price of the year……… :roll:

That listing deserves a highly placed spot in the thread.

As far as I know, Membership to this forum does NOT include immunity from being called to the carpet for E-Bay insanity.
I should know, I have stepped in pooh plenty enough times myself and been called on the carpet for it.
I took my lumps then and IF I am wrong this time (How could I be?) then I will obviously take them again.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:53 pm 
 

Common sense.



Common courtesy.



If you'd stop playing the martyr for just a minute ("justice," my ass ... trying asking questions before you buy stuff), you might realize this.



What is the huge advantage to posting another Acaeum member's auctions in this thread? Do you honestly think the seller won't at least respond, and likely in an unpleasant manner? You couldn't find a different over-priced D&D item to list that night? There's only about 30 of those posted per day.



No, members here should not be immune to appearing in this, or any other, thread. As I mentioned earlier, I've appeared in this thread myself. But if you're going to insist on posting other members' items, you might want to consider: A) getting your facts straight; B) throwing in a smiley or two to ease the tension; and C) not acting like you're the victim when the whole sorry episode inevitably leads to bad feelings.  



I'm sick of your act, frankly. I've been sick of it since the day in 2004 when you pretty much drove darkseraphim right out of here ...



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... but I've tried to mostly stay out of your way, since you seem to get along reasonably well with the Texas Mafia, Al, DL39 and a few others. I did that out of respect for them, just to be clear, but I just don't care any longer; I'll have to roll with whatever punches they send my way. I can no longer tolerate your "professional victim" act.



Aneoth wrote:Membership to this forum does NOT include immunity from being called to the carpet for E-Bay insanity.


Oh, goodie ... now that you've decided this, I've got one for you. What do you think the reserve was on this idiotic auction?




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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:02 pm 
 

Aneoth wrote:(How could I be?)

In four words, you've just summarized why you keep having to "take lumps" here. Think about it.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:20 pm 
 

Blackmoor wrote:Here is a silly price


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Silly low, congrats David :wink:

Could get a real good 1st print DMG for that :lol:




Personally, I get bummed out when I see an auction of mine in this thread because the price was silly LOW. :) Though in all actuality, the last time I listed this item, the last bid that would have been honored was in that same $450 range. Seems that should be about the going rate, or maybe it did go cheap twice in a row? Dunno. Anyway, it'll be winging it's way overseas in a sturdy box all too soon. :)



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Post Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:11 am 
 

bclarkie wrote:And it sold for $140?  Thats funny, I seem to remember it going in the $120 range.  Would you care to provide a link to the afforemention auction?
Happy to BC but only because I respect you. It's over 90 days old and eBay doesn't keep the auction stats but: Straight from eBay invoice dated October 2007 - Nov 18 17:40:16        D&D MODULE JADE HARE 1992 1st Print RARE!! EXC!! TSR                
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       Final Value Fee        $5.05        Final price: $139.99 (Auction) $30 shy of the $170 Acaeum estimate for NM copy. Lates, Arg PDT_Armataz_01_18 Edit: I think it went to an Acaeum member.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:03 am 
 

Xaxaxe wrote:Common courtesy.


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Post Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:44 am 
 

argyrebasin wrote:I'm not going to defend myself on this forum again. Thank you for making it personal.

Well, I stayed away from the forum to cool down a bit.  Ah well.  I was about to apologize profusely and give you the benefit of the doubt, but you've gone and blown that idea out of the water.  

The thought occured to me that you might have misread the valuation chart and used the 2nd Alpha numbers as a reference by mistake.  It's clear you've had access to the valuations, as you have to click through that page to get to the item descriptions.  The 2nd Alpha is rare -- very rare -- and it's price reflects that fact.  

However, you've made it subsequently clear that nothing I've quoted above is true.  You did defend yourself again, for one.  And it's not personal -- at least four other Acaeum members, highly knowledgeable ones at that, have told you precisely the same thing -- your BIN price is very high.  You should listen, they're really smart guys.

Anyway, it's really not your "newbie fishing" that offends, as a lot of people do that.  My remark regarding predatory auctions was a general one, and it is irksome to see it becoming a trend over time.  What truly offends is your gall at attempting to pass off $399-499 as a completely reasonable figure.  It is not.

I don't usually provide appraisals, and this will be a rough one without the material on hand.  You might not even want the information, but unlike your BIN, the price is right.  So make what you will of it, and good luck with your auctions at any rate.

In my expert* opinion, having observed a lot of these, a mean valuation figure might top out about $100 USD, with perhaps a $20 swing either way being normal.  (The current Acaeum values are spot on that lower bound, as NM is calculated at about 90% of that value if I remember correctly.  Good work, guys.)  So check; the numbers we have listed are in line with reality.

However, consider that your copy is not NM; probably closer to VF.  It is still a very nice copy, considering how many are horribly banged up.  The creased pages do matter, even though the particular copy might have come that way off the press.  As it is not a feature common to the entire print run, it is a defect and negatively affects the grade.  I'm notorious for over-grading items relative to other Acaeum members, so perhaps this is closer to Fine.  Let's not quibble on that point.

A reasonable BIN would be somewhat higher than the mean valuation of about $60, to account for a guaranteed sale.  That's fair enough.  I'd put it at about $80-100, with anything over $120 being firmly in the "wishful thinking" category.  

So you can clearly see why we consider $399 to be humorous, now that I've provided some context.  That's four to five times higher than reasonable. ;)

Now back to the main event!  You're distracting us from the Xaxaxe/Aneoth grudge match with all this silliness.  

* I'm not saying "expert" simply because I'm an arrogant ass.  There are maybe two dozen other people on the planet that follow this particular printing with as much enthusiasm as I do, several of whom you've been arguing with in the thread.  When you've contributed even a small part in a project like this, you tend to maintain your interest to see where it all goes.  The 1st print DMG is one of my most interesting pieces in my collection, though not the most valuable.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:25 am 
 

Expert set for $61, I think a bit over the top, even in shrinkwrap...




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Post Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:31 am 
 

I appologize for keeping a topic alive but I just wanted to comment about the 1st print DMG thing because I think Im involved (without being involved hehehe if there is such a thing).  If Im not mistaken, Brian is remembering the DMG I purchased (the $167 one).  The darn thing is in pristine shape (no marks, writing, or even corner bumping of note) and looks like it just got plucked off someones shelf and dusted after sitting there for 28 years.  Im sure there are copies a bit more Mint mint than mine, but I bet not many.  I dont see paying more than $200 for a true 1st, even if the darn thing was time capsule sealed after being hot off the presses.

Just an old farts opinion though, so take it for what its worth.  At the time, I was doing some pretty darn lengthy research and keeping track of alot of true first prices to get a feel for where the current value belonged so I didnt get stupid and buy in haste just because I wanted one.  Plus if I was going to grab one I wanted a really nice one.

On a personal note, Arg, I can see why you got a bit miffed and hot under the collar.  Its never fun to get called out, and maybe it could have been handled with a little more diplomacy.  But that doesnt mean these guys and gals aren't spot on.  This site is about collection and item value.  If your a seller, and you use the site, and you decide at some point to gun for a "Got to have it now!" buyer willing to pay some serious premiums...hey, go for it.  Just expect to get called out every now and again here cause thats a small, but valuable part of what this site is about.  This thread has helped me a number of times when considering an impulse buy, turning on the grey matter and turning off my nostalgic heart as I tell myself "What were you thinking you moron!"  I would bet its done the same for others.

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Post Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:51 am 
 

Hey Deimo,

Sorry about that, I read your previous post and incorrectly assumed the comment was directed at me. I was probably a bit miffed by some of the other posts.

I don't mind being called onto the carpet so to speak. You guys keep sellers honest which is fair.

I'll have to look at it again but I'm pretty sure it's not a 2nd Alpha. I looked once and ran through the nifty DMG print chart. Kudos if you helped develop that behemoth.

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deimos3428 wrote:Well, I stayed away from the forum to cool down a bit.  Ah well.  I was about to apologize profusely and give you the benefit of the doubt, but you've gone and blown that idea out of the water.  

The thought occured to me that you might have misread the valuation chart and used the 2nd Alpha numbers as a reference by mistake.  It's clear you've had access to the valuations, as you have to click through that page to get to the item descriptions.  The 2nd Alpha is rare -- very rare -- and it's price reflects that fact.  

However, you've made it subsequently clear that nothing I've quoted above is true.  You did defend yourself again, for one.  And it's not personal -- at least four other Acaeum members, highly knowledgeable ones at that, have told you precisely the same thing -- your BIN price is very high.  You should listen, they're really smart guys.

Anyway, it's really not your "newbie fishing" that offends, as a lot of people do that.  My remark regarding predatory auctions was a general one, and it is irksome to see it becoming a trend over time.  What truly offends is your gall at attempting to pass off $399-499 as a completely reasonable figure.  It is not.

I don't usually provide appraisals, and this will be a rough one without the material on hand.  You might not even want the information, but unlike your BIN, the price is right.  So make what you will of it, and good luck with your auctions at any rate.

In my expert* opinion, having observed a lot of these, a mean valuation figure might top out about $100 USD, with perhaps a $20 swing either way being normal.  (The current Acaeum values are spot on that lower bound, as NM is calculated at about 90% of that value if I remember correctly.  Good work, guys.)  So check; the numbers we have listed are in line with reality.

However, consider that your copy is not NM; probably closer to VF.  It is still a very nice copy, considering how many are horribly banged up.  The creased pages do matter, even though the particular copy might have come that way off the press.  As it is not a feature common to the entire print run, it is a defect and negatively affects the grade.  I'm notorious for over-grading items relative to other Acaeum members, so perhaps this is closer to Fine.  Let's not quibble on that point.

A reasonable BIN would be somewhat higher than the mean valuation of about $60, to account for a guaranteed sale.  That's fair enough.  I'd put it at about $80-100, with anything over $120 being firmly in the "wishful thinking" category.  

So you can clearly see why we consider $399 to be humorous, now that I've provided some context.  That's four to five times higher than reasonable. ;)

Now back to the main event!  You're distracting us from the Xaxaxe/Aneoth grudge match with all this silliness.  

* I'm not saying "expert" simply because I'm an arrogant ass.  There are maybe two dozen other people on the planet that follow this particular printing with as much enthusiasm as I do, several of whom you've been arguing with in the thread.  When you've contributed even a small part in a project like this, you tend to maintain your interest to see where it all goes.  The 1st print DMG is one of my most interesting pieces in my collection, though not the most valuable.

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