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Post Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:39 pm 
 

Prufrock wrote:Aneoth,

I think we will have to place a little note in your file saying "Does not work and play well with others".  :lol:   Yes, I know it is T&T but you seem to bring out the worst in folks.  :lol:

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Agree with that one. T&T isn't quite Cougie and not everyone deserves random eBay flames. Many of the sellers on eBay are businessmen/women and sell for a living.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:42 am 
 

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Actually, the creased pages are included in the listing. Read further before you make snap decisions. And the listing is misleading because pictures show the defects? Ok.

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Creased pages or not, you really should cite the source of your information you're borrowing in the listing.  All we're asking for is a little mention of the Acaeum, y'know?  Many of us went to a lot of work to determine the true 1st printing you're selling. ;)

That price is definitely over the top.  If you can get it, more power to you, but it's really sad to see this sort of predatory listing all the time.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:19 am 
 

deimos3428 wrote:Creased pages or not, you really should cite the source of your information you're borrowing in the listing.  All we're asking for is a little mention of the Acaeum, y'know?  Many of us went to a lot of work to determine the true 1st printing you're selling. ;)

That price is definitely over the top.  If you can get it, more power to you, but it's really sad to see this sort of predatory listing all the time.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:56 am 
 

$499?


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:16 am 
 

serleran wrote:
One-tenth of $499 is $49.9 I'll buy that. If you're serious. I want a 1st print DMG.


well, you can have it! i have a copy on sale here:

http://rpgmarketplace.com/shop.php?name ... _id=100012

i ask that amount... of course it is now as shiny as the copy of argyrebasin!

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:11 pm 
 

In argyrebasin's defense, he is an excellent seller with whom I have dealt in the past as well as an Acaeum member in good standing.  If you feel his price is too high at least do him the courtesy of a PM before posting to a public thread.  His other auctions do credit the Acaeum which by the way is an excellent source of advertisement for the collecting community.  (I found my way here via BadMike's store listings.)

He has lowered the price of the auction to $399 and there is now a reference to the Acaeum in the listing.  For the sake of harmony in the forums, please let's try to be a little more forgiving and try to resolve issues in a more amicable fashion.  Come on guys; let's bury the hatchet.... Just not in each other :)

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:21 pm 
 

smarmy1 wrote:He has lowered the price of the auction to $399 and there is now a reference to the Acaeum in the listing.


$399 is still patently ridiculous.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:29 pm 
 

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$399 is still patently ridiculous.


I wasn't arguing whether the price was good or not just that it doesn't hurt to be a little nicer to one another.  Also, for the sake of discussion what would be a reasonable price (Ebay listing) for this item in the stated and/or visible condition?  I'm not a DMG print-run junkie and since the last Acaeum estimate/valuation was in 2005,  I really have no idea.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:39 pm 
 

smarmy1 wrote:
I wasn't arguing whether the price was good or not just that it doesn't hurt to be a little nicer to one another.  Also, for the sake of discussion what would be a reasonable price (Ebay listing) for this item in the stated and/or visible condition?  I'm not a DMG print-run junkie and since the last Acaeum estimate/valuation was in 2005,  I really have no idea.


I wasn't blaming or criticizing you smarm. :)  Truthfully a good BIN price I'd say would be $75 or if you were really looking to stretch maybe $100 or $125 tops.  $400 for a 1st Print DMG would be highway robbery.

The highest 1st that I have ever recorded(and I do in fact track them, although I have been slacking the last 2 months or so) was the one I sold about 6 months ago(which was actually nicer than this one) in which I had a bidding war between 2 bidders that resulted in it being $266 and that was utterly ridiculous. I wasn't going to complain obviously, but it didn't make it any less ridiculous.  

Of the other 1sts that I have seen the second highest price ever for a 1st was $167 and the third was $150.  I am not even sure I'd count the third though as that was a opy that Frank Mentzer sold that was signed. Out of a total of 44 1st print DMG prices recorded over a 2 1/2 year period, only 3 have exceeded the $100 mark, 1 of which was sold and signed by Frank Mentzer, so you are looking at 2 bidding wars and a "special" copy, none of which even came close to $400.  $400 for one is beyond ridiculous.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:44 pm 
 

smarmy1 wrote:Also, for the sake of discussion what would be a reasonable price (Ebay listing) for this item in the stated and/or visible condition?


Maybe I am wrong on this but I think most people actively searching for one of these will just wait until one goes by fairly unnoticed and then pounce on it.  I think if you look through the fun finds you'll see a few that have sold fairly cheap ($20) but then auctions that get noticed can be more in the $100 range?

Same thing goes for a lot of other D&D items.  Jade Hare comes to mind - I've seen at least 6 sell for under $20 along with the Dungeons & Dragons game.  But if you were to sell it by itself clearly marked, it would go much higher.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:57 pm 
 

Thanks for the info, Brian.   :D

I think this kind of detailed information is extremely useful and is exactly  what is required when determing whether an item is significantly overpriced or not.  Unfortunately, I myself don't keep track of auction listings and barely manage to record what I pay for the items I purchase.  (Good Lord... I hope my wife never finds this list.  Gulp.  8O)  

Based on what you posted, the price does seem rather high.  (I for one was confusing this printing with the 2nd print alpha which definitely commands a significant premium, at least according to the older prices on this site.)  As I said, I'm no DMG print-run junkie. :D

On a related note, are there any plans afoot with the other valuation board memebers to refresh the category 4 and 5 rares on this site?


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:05 pm 
 

Mars wrote:
Maybe I am wrong on this but I think most people actively searching for one of these will just wait until one goes by fairly unnoticed and then pounce on it.


I absolutely agree!  Once I learned a little patience and how to better conduct my Ebay searches, I would watch for particular items (Shrink wrapped of course  :wink: ) and would pounce rather than purchasing via a BIN or an auction that was overbid (at least as far as I was willing to go.)

Good advice, Mars unless you have deep pockets or really don't want to wait for another opportunity to bid.  Heck I think I enjoy the search as much as I do the acquisition and with the US economy taking it on the chin, I will definitely be more patient in my acquisitions.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:56 pm 
 

argyrebasin wrote:Thanks but I have concerns about your comment on predatory listing. Did you even bother to look at some of the prices on my sold listings? I sincerely doubt it. They are reasonable or I wouldn't be in business my friend.

You do realize that I was one of the people (though Paul Stromberg did most of the work) that helped identify the True 1st printing, right?  I have a pretty good idea what it's worth.  Your price is nothing short of laughable.  I called it predatory because that's exactly what it is -- you're hoping someone that doesn't know any better will drool and vastly overpay.

Yes, I do reference the Acaeum when I use material to clarify item details to my customers...Are you really going to crucify me because I missed one item?

In a word, yes.  The Acaeum doesn't require advertising, you do.  If you're going to make money off of our hard work, credit your source.

You're just trying to cover your ass at this point.  Give it a rest.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:05 pm 
 

Not to worry ladies, gents, & grouches. I'll just auction it someday and find out what happens. Maybe it'll go for $1.99 or maybe it'll sell higher than $100 just like the Jade Hare I sold about 6 months ago. You never know what will happen on eBay and that's part of the chance you take when selling there.

Just one question: Why the heck do you care what price I put on my items? I could say BC selling a DMG for $266 is patently ridiculous but I don't because I'm a decent person.

I'll say it one last time, if you don't like the price of something DON'T BUY IT.  I will still offer great D&D items at decent prices and, most importantly, I treat my customers with respect. Is it too much to ask the same from this community?

Good day to you all! Threads like this make selling a real joy.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:16 pm 
 

deimos3428 wrote:In a word, yes.  The Acaeum doesn't require advertising, you do.  If you're going to make money off of our hard work, credit your source.

You're just trying to cover your ass at this point.  Give it a rest.


Well, as mentioned above, the source has been credited.

I'm not going to defend myself on this forum again. Thank you for making it personal.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:51 pm 
 

argyrebasin wrote: Maybe it'll go for $1.99 or maybe it'll sell higher than $100 just like the Jade Hare I sold about 6 months ago. You never know what will happen on eBay and that's part of the chance you take when selling there.


Do you mean the Jade Hare that inisisted for weeks on end that was worth $199 in your auction listing, despite the fact that you came here first and asked and were told differently?

Are you really trying to take credit for the fact that we told you it was likely worth $100-$125 when it in fact sold for that much despite your repeated attempts to sell it for more than that? Really?

argyrebasin wrote:I could say BC selling a DMG for $266 is patently ridiculous but I don't because I'm a decent person.

Aside from the fact that *I* have already said it was ridiculous so it would't be off the mark, that price as has been noted in my posted happened in auction as a result of a crazy ass bidding war and still ended up $140 less than what you have listed now.  

You can list whatever you want for however much you want, its your option to do so. It's other people's option to criticize you for your listing.  If you don't want to be criticized, then don't list it for that much. If you want the option of listing it for whatever you want thats fine, just don't be surprised when you do in fact get criticized for it. Its pretty simple.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:55 pm 
 

smarmy1 wrote:Thanks for the info, Brian.   :D

No probs. :)

smarmy1 wrote:On a related note, are there any plans afoot with the other valuation board memebers to refresh the category 4 and 5 rares on this site?


Not that I know of, although any modifications to the actual site are done by Scott.  Other than that, the VB has been pretty much a grave yard for a good 6 months as far as activity goes, so I am not sure what is going to happen.


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Post Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:58 pm 
 

bclarkie wrote:Aside from the fact that *I* have already said it was ridiculous so it would't be off the mark, that price as has been noted in my posted happened in auction as a result of a crazy ass bidding war and still ended up $140 less than what you have listed now.  

You can list whatever you want for however much you want, its your option to do so. It's other people's option to criticize you for your listing.  If you don't want to be criticized, then don't list it for that much. If you want the option of listing it for whatever you want thats fine, just don't be surprised when you do in fact get criticized for it. Its pretty simple.


"Are you really trying to take credit for the fact that we told you it was likely worth $100-$125 when it in fact sold for that much despite your repeated attempts to sell it for more than that? Really?"

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Trying to take credit? No, I'm not doing this for credit. I was pointing out that the price mentioned was around $100 and it sold for quite a bit higher although not as high as I had thought. $140 was the closing price. So yeah, it did sell higher.

Agreed. You can never tell what will happen. I sold a B10 not long ago for $105 with a start price of $29. I thought it was crazy at the time but evidently it was a result of a bidding war as well. You can say that about anything on eBay.

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