I never put a p.o. box on this site.  Why don't you pay attention to what anyone is saying.

I am hereby daring you to present a forum where we and some witnesses can go to show ourselves in an open and safe forum.  This is not a threat, I don't wish to do anyone any harm.  I simply want you to stop attacking me.  This is still America and we have the right to be confronted by our accusers.

paradert4 wrote:I never put a p.o. box on this site. Why don't you pay attention to what anyone is saying.

I am hereby daring you to present a forum where we and some witnesses can go to show ourselves in an open and safe forum. This is not a threat, I don't wish to do anyone any harm. I simply want you to stop attacking me. This is still America and we have the right to be confronted by our accusers.

A point of fact. Yes, you probably are in America, but this forum is not an American court at law nor is this site even close to being exclusive to Americans. What conceit you Americans have!! Assuming that only Americans could do this web stuff….

Furthermore, you have no rights here.... other than those given to you by the web site administrator that is....

And before you say it. No, I am not American too.

I am a Texan first, last, and always..... Through and through.

Aneoth wrote:What conceit you Americans have!! Assuming that only Americans could do this web stuff….

Amen Aneoth.  It's comments like that one that gives us other americans a bad name, and then we suffer the grief from offended fellow members from other countries.

Whether you are correct or not paradert4, you are verifiably conceited and american-centric.  Won't win you friends and allies.

Aneoth wrote:And before you say it. No, I am not American too.
I am a Texan first, last, and always..... Through and through.

I wouldn't believe what you said...had I not had several very good Texan friends.

There's no question ParaDope was shilling. whether or not it is the same person.
Goetz! Goetz! Goetz!

well look, at the end of the day, nobody particularly had a problem with Zabe73 personally. If he had sold his stuff as is, ie. DMG on its own, then that would have been fine. The fact that he was selling it with a "free" CD full of goodies, that were infringing copyright was another matter entirely. If it wasnt such a biggie, why was it advertised in a subtitle of the item being auctioned? AND then going into detail with regards to whats on the CD. is it not then the fact that you are actually selling the CD in all its wonder and you get the auctioned item with it? thats what it actually sounded like to me tbh, but hey there ya go.

i got nothing personal against any of these ppl, whether they are the same person or different persons. just the fact that they are selling something that is illegal and thats all there is to it.

whether there was shilling going on or not, is another matter entirely.

of course, the way to resolve the problem in a whole, would be for them ALL to turn up at a con and meet one of the acaeum guys, with full ID of course etc and then there would be no doubt at all? and then if the acaeum guys were wrong, they would fight in their favour with regards to that issue, but of course, you could always have fake ID's produced too

to me, it just seems strange that you would buy a load of stuff off someone local (to save money and make more money selling), yet you never see any of it actually being sold?

whoever is right or not, Zabe73 shouldnt have been selling his CD and thats that.

killjoy32 wrote:well look, at the end of the day, nobody particularly had a problem with Zabe73 personally. If he had sold his stuff as is, ie. DMG on its own, then that would have been fine. The fact that he was selling it with a "free" CD full of goodies, that were infringing copyright was another matter entirely. If it wasnt such a biggie, why was it advertised in a subtitle of the item being auctioned? AND then going into detail with regards to whats on the CD. is it not then the fact that you are actually selling the CD in all its wonder and you get the auctioned item with it? thats what it actually sounded like to me tbh, but hey there ya go.

i got nothing personal against any of these ppl, whether they are the same person or different persons. just the fact that they are selling something that is illegal and thats all there is to it.

whether there was shilling going on or not, is another matter entirely.

of course, the way to resolve the problem in a whole, would be for them ALL to turn up at a con and meet one of the acaeum guys, with full ID of course etc and then there would be no doubt at all? and then if the acaeum guys were wrong, they would fight in their favour with regards to that issue, but of course, you could always have fake ID's produced too

to me, it just seems strange that you would buy a load of stuff off someone local (to save money and make more money selling), yet you never see any of it actually being sold?

whoever is right or not, Zabe73 shouldnt have been selling his CD and thats that.

I think the funniest part of this thing is the facts are clearly on the table that both shilling and and copyright infringement have clealry occured and they are still trying to be convince me that they did nothing wrong. Also "Zabe73" makes an appearance and basically says he doesn't even know this niccolofriedrich guy and that it is ridiculous what he is saying. Here are the final facts. Fact #1) I don't care if its 1 person or 4 people. All have lied, stolen and shilled. Fact #2) Apparently I did make a mistake last night in saying that paradert4 posted his PO BOX, when it was actually niccolofreidrich(this is of course if they are even different people) but after trying to argue with 5 different user ids, I think one mistake and about 50 good proven points is a pretty good percentage. Fact #3) I dont care who they are, so trying to convince me otherwise is a utter waste of time, because I do not assosciate with their likes. Finally, Fact #4) Paradert4=No longer a registered user and zabe73=no longer a registered user. That is that. Doesn't matter who you are or where you reside, END OF DISCUSSION

Great job, bclarkie! Keep on rockin' ...

Nice to see some normalcy has returned to the forum tonight.