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atanauge
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:46 pm

T1-4 on CD-ROM:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 10217&rd=1

this cannot be legal, can it???

atanauge
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:08 pm

another one, from the UK this time:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 91681&rd=1

Not reported yet, please feel free .....

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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 8:56 am

I lost the name and e-mail address of the guy at WoTC..........

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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:58 am

Deadlord36 wrote:I lost the name and e-mail address of the guy at WoTC..........

First post on the thread, Frank. :twisted:

I sent in a few reports, too, but never heard back.

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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:21 am

Reported! I forgot it was back there.

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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:24 am

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 81200&rd=1

Core Rules 2.0 copied on CD. Reported.

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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:44 am

Dungeon magazine issues on CD-ROM:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 32508&rd=1

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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:58 pm

http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 91947&rd=1

My French is a bit rusty but I think this guy tries to sell the core rule books and some other stuff on CD. Anyone else that is better at reading French text?

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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:46 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 59362&rd=1

I think this was brought up before. I can't recall. Is this CD ok? It just really irratates me how it pops up constantly.

And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:24 pm

No I don't think that the seller in this case has a problem.

I would be surprised if the CD even has anything protected by copyright law on it, with the possible exception of: "A forgotten realms screen saver featuring Drizzt." and even if it did, the seller is GIVING the CD away with the purchase of the new Monster Manual II.

IMO, when giving the CD away at no cost and no charge, then the seller could not be sued for illegally re-selling copyrighted data. Much of the Copyright infringement Laws, depend on some person (Or entity) illegally re-selling or in some other way illegally profiting from another's work.

Besides the data on the CD may not be protected by copyright law, as it might actually be shareware (free data) available to anyone with access to the internet, if you know where to look.

Of course, I am not an attorney, but I am a little bit familiar with some aspects of Copyright Law.

Syrsuro
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:33 am

Aneoth wrote:No I don't think that the seller in this case has a problem.

I would be surprised if the CD even has anything protected by copyright law on it, with the possible exception of: "A forgotten realms screen saver featuring Drizzt." and even if it did, the seller is GIVING the CD away with the purchase of the new Monster Manual II.

IMO, when giving the CD away at no cost and no charge, then the seller could not be sued for illegally re-selling copyrighted data. Much of the Copyright infringement Laws, depend on some person (Or entity) illegally re-selling or in some other way illegally profiting from another's work.

Besides the data on the CD may not be protected by copyright law, as it might actually be shareware (free data) available to anyone with access to the internet, if you know where to look.

Of course, I am not an attorney, but I am a little bit familiar with some aspects of Copyright Law.

Actually this is actually NOT correct. If you distribute it - whether or not you charge anything for it you are breaking the law - at least in the US and most likely in any other country. The penalties are often based on the 'profit' made selling it, but there ARE minimum penalties (around $750 as I recall but its been awhile since I looked it up) for any violation.

On the other hand - they tend to pick and choose what cases to prosecute based on how flagrant the violation - and whether it was given away or sold is a factor in that decision.

But - there is ALSO no question that including a copyright infringement product as part of an Ebay auction is done for the explicit purpose of increasing the attractiveness of the auction and is there for done for the purpose of personal gain and ABSOLUTELY would be considered sale of the item, not merely free distribution. ONLY If the individual offered to give a copy free to all individuals regardless of whether or not they purchased the item would they avoid that charge. And in that case, they would still be flagrantly in violation of the copyright because they are, in essence, publishing copyrighted material.

The ONLY exception to this that I see would be if a person sold an original copy of item X and included as part of that sale a 'backup' copy of item X AND did NOT retain a copy of that item for their own use. Only under those circumstances would distributing copied copyrighted materials be legal.

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:56 am

Nope:

Ebay just dumped one of my auctions because I included the back-up disks in the auction.

I want to be clear here. It was an auction for three D&D-based PC games with their original disks. Also, in each box was a complete set of back up disks. Ebay canceled my auction. I emailed them, saying I was unclear why this was a problem. I wasn't selling knock-offs and as an owner, a person is allowed to produce a back-up copy for their own use and protection. Ebay's subsequent answer was extremely vague and I have not pursued the point any further. I will relist with a "modified" description.

Note: my auction description clearly stated (twice) that each included the original disks as well as back-ups. I even placed it in bold type.

I think ebay has blanket policy toward non-original disks, and that is it.

And I could've bought these damn modules off the 1$ rack!!!

New modules for your Old School game http://pacesettergames.com/

Everything Pacesetter at http://pacesettergames.blog.com/

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:43 pm

Back-up CDs from the "travelling husband" :roll:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5930991064

Reported.

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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:56 am

Title: RPG Vampire D&D AD&D Star Wars Trek PDF BOOK & SOFTWARE

Item number: 5930697669

Seller: onekender

URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 97669&rd=1

Reported.

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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:54 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 49977&rd=1

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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:51 am

Iuz the Evil plus tons of 2e material on CD:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 83484&rd=1

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LloydBrown
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:17 am

I reported that guy, too, Allan. I guess I should have mentioned it here.

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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:05 am

Reported: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5934456131

... I am afraid, WOTC has stopped taking down those auctions. The recently reported auctions were never stopped.

- "When the going gets weird, the Weird turn pro."

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