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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:18 am 
 

Agreement for the E-tools program itself.   It also allows for transfer under the same conditions.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:51 am 
 

Going by the title, it seems this software generates characters. What else does it do? There are modules included in the list, not just rulebooks, so my guess is that you can just print out whatever you might like from the "datasets", which is probably a fancy term for searchable PDF's.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:56 am 
 

No you cannot just print out the rulebooks.    The modules include the magic items and the NPC's stats not the modules themselves or any desctipions of the text.    You also still need the PHB / DMG and whatever books to get the full descriptions of the spells etc.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:00 am 
 

The program included a Character Generator the purpose of the additional books was to allow for the creation of the character utilizing the new spells, equipment, classes etc.   The program would then automatically add the necessary feets, skills points etc,.

You would create a character similar to the core rules / core rules expansion however, unlike those programs which contained the full text these do not.   In addition, you cannot directly access the data in a usable format it's built into the program itself.

It also included the ability to quick generate NPC's, Customize Monsters, there is a dice roller, random encounter and radom treasure generators as well I believe.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:08 am 
 

Specifically:

Create New Character
Create New Monster
Create New Treasure
Create New Table

Generate Character
Generate Monster
Generate Treasure
Generate Table

With the Generate Table feature any table in the mentioned books was presented and it would randomly roll on the table for you and display the results:

For Example:  From the DMG the Random Adventuring Table would roll a 1d100 and display the result:
Two parts of a magic item are in the hands of bitter enemies, the third is lost.


You could also
Build a Race
Create House Rules
Plus the Die Roller

Here is a sample character from the program.   As you can see you need the books!

Losse hinge, Male Halfling, Lightfoot Wiz1: CR 1;Small Humanoid (Halfling); HD 1d4+1(Wizard); hp 5; Init +3; Spd 20; AC:14 (Flatfooted:11 Touch:14); Atk +0 base melee, +4 base ranged; RF: +2 Bonus on Saves vs. Fear, +1 attack bonus with thrown weapons; AL NG; SV Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +4; STR 8, DEX 16, CON 13, INT 15, WIS 12, CHA 8.
Skills: Climb +1, Concentration +5, Decipher Script +6, Hide +7, Jump -5, Knowledge (Arcana) +6, Knowledge (The Planes) +6, Listen +3, Move Silently +7, Spellcraft +6.

Feats: Combat Casting, Scribe Scroll, Spell Focus: Necromancy.
Spells Known (Wiz 3/2): 0 -- Acid Splash, Arcane Mark, Dancing Lights, Daze, Detect Ghost, Detect Magic, Detect Poison, Disrupt Ectoplasm, Disrupt Undead, Electric Jolt, Flare, Ghost Sound, Horizikaul`s Cough, Launch Bolt, Light, Mage Hand, Mending, Message, No Light, Open/Close, Preserve Ectoplasm, Preserve Organ, Prestidigitation, Ray of Frost, Read Magic, Repair Minor Damage, Silent Portal, Slash Tongue, Stick, Touch of Fatigue, Unnerving Gaze; 1st -- Burning Hands, Enlarge Person, Feather Fall, Magic Missile, Ray of Enfeeblement.
Spells Prepared (Wiz 3/2): 0 - Dancing Lights, Detect Magic, Ray of Frost, Touch of Fatigue (s); 1st - Burning Hands, Magic Missile, Ray of Enfeeblement (s).
Possessions:
Weapons: Crossbow, light (35 gp); Quarterstaff (0 gp).
Goods: Coin: gp (80) (64,000 gp).
Bailey, Male Animal, Cat : CR 1/4;Tiny Animal ; HD 1d8 (Animal); hp 2; Init +2; Spd 30; AC 15; Atk -2 base melee, +4 base ranged; +4/-1 (1d2-4, 2 Claw; 1d3-4, Bite); SQ: Low-light Vision (Ex), Scent (Ex); AL N; SV Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +3; STR 3, DEX 15, CON 10, INT 6, WIS 12, CHA 7.
Skills: Balance +10, Climb +6, Concentration +5, Hide +14, Jump +10, Listen +3, Move Silently +7, Spot +3.
Feats: Weapon Finesse.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:10 am 
 

Hmm, I wonder if it is technically legal to resell the 1st print 3.0 PHB, the one with the CD in the back...


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:11 am 
 

The nice thing about the product:  When you print out an actual character sheet itself it tells you the book and page number to go to:

For Example:
Accelerated Movement:

Swift. Balance, Climb, or Move silently at normal speed with no penalty on skill checks (CAdv142).

You get a brief description that is sometimes all that you need but it is not the complete description.   For that you would have to go to the book:

Complete Adventrurer and turn to page 142.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:12 am 
 

The Free version in the back of the book was called:

The Character Generator.   It was completely broken, given out for free on WOTC's website and became ETOOLS.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:19 am 
 

CHARACTER GENERATOR EULA:  Same thing you can transfer it freely provided you destroy all copies on your systems.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:22 am 
 


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Hear is the new Correct Listing.   For anybody that might be interested.   Thanks for pointing out the issues.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:31 am 
 

i dont think it was the character generator per se, that everyone was going on about. it was the adventures and the actual handbooks, such as the monster manual.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:35 am 
 

Fair enough, I assumed that most of you guys were experts on DND 1st and 2nd edition.   It didn't sound like you were familar with ETOOLS and PCGEN for 3.0/3.5.  

Hopefully I have explained the product sufficiently so people realize that it is not electronic reproductions of the books but rather the statistical information incorporated into the program.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:49 am 
 

er...

so.

going by what you are saying then. just actual data. so like, the data is exactly the same as it would be in a book?

your listing states:

This Bundle set contains the following:
Complete Adventurer
Complete Arcane
Complete Divine
Complete Warrior

Book of Exalted Deeds
Draconomicon
Dragonlance Campaign Setting

blah blah blah.


so if i was to use your "e-tool" and i say selected the draconomicon book to look at for instance. the data that then is shown, is the same as it would be if i went on ebay and bought the book itself and read the information therein?


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:08 pm 
 

No not at all:

To go through a charcter generation process:

You first choose a race:   In the standard program it would only list the races from verion 3.0 books.   Becuase data sets are loaded you would see a list of all races from all of the loaded books.

The only thing that is displayed is the name of the race no detailed information.

The same thing for class no detailed infromation:

So for examply I select an Elaine from the PSIONICS HANDBOOK AND CHOOSE SORCERER CLASS I GET THIS:

Elaine, Female PsiHB, Aberration, Temporal Filcher Aberration8/Sor1: CR 4;Large Aberration ; HD 8d8+24(Aberration), 1d4+3(Sorcerer); hp 73; Init +9; Spd 40; AC:14 (Flatfooted:9 Touch:14); Atk +5 base melee, +10 base ranged; +5/+0 (1d6, 4 Claw; 2d6, Bite); SA: Psionics (Sp) Chameleon 15 At Will Dimension Door 15 At Will Distract 15 At Will Id Insinuation -1 At Will Intellect Fortress -1 At Will Mental Barrier -1 At Will ; SQ: Time Filch (Su), Psionics (Sp); AL N; SV Fort +5, Ref +7, Will +10; STR 10, DEX 20, CON 17, INT 6, WIS 14, CHA 15.
Skills: Bluff +4, Concentration +7, Jump +4, Knowledge (Arcana) +1, Spellcraft +1.

Feats: Combat Casting, Improved Initiative, Simple Weapon Proficiency, Spell Focus: Evocation.
Spells Known (Sor 5/4): 0 -- Arcane Mark, Ray of Frost, Read Magic, Touch of Fatigue; 1st -- Cause Fear, Feather Fall.
Possessions:
Weapons: Dagger (2 gp); Crossbow, light, Masterwork (335 gp).
Goods: Coin: gp (36000) (NaN gp).
Cyrill, Male Animal, Cat : CR 1/4;Tiny Animal ; HD 9d8 (Animal); hp 36; Init +2; Spd 30; AC 15; Atk -2 base melee, +4 base ranged; +4/-1 (1d2-4, 2 Claw; 1d3-4, Bite); SQ: Low-light Vision (Ex), Scent (Ex); AL N; SV Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +3; STR 3, DEX 15, CON 10, INT 6, WIS 12, CHA 7.
Skills: Balance +10, Bluff +4, Climb +6, Concentration +7, Hide +14, Jump +10, Listen +3, Spot +3.
Feats: Weapon Finesse.

IF I DO CHARACTER CREATION:
I get a list of Class and Humans with a little more info:

Swashbuckler from the Complete Warrier would display this:
The swashbuckler combines skill and finesse with sheer combat prowess. (CW11)

As I select feets and skills I would see similarly listings of the feats and skills with brief descriptions not complete ones.

The magic items from a module is listed in a simlar way.   Sometimes you can get enough out of the short description but you cannot read the entire one in any way they don't exist.  

I believe you could hand edit each individual description if you so chose but that is not what the program is intented for.

It simply knows that if you take SKILL X, and FEAT Y you character abilities change in a certain way and it properly adjusts your character sheet accoringly.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:15 pm 
 

In Short: By adding a book you add the abiltiy to create a character, monster, treasur, table from the books.   You in no way can simply access a book or the descriptions.   Code Monkey was very careful with WOTC to ensure that the person using the dataset for the most part needed the book.  

You cannot simply say I want to view the Complete Adventurer book.   Without the book loaded you can't create a character or monster that utilizes information from the book.   With it loaded you can.  

The problem with PCGEN and ETOOLS was you could only initially create the core characters from the 3.0 DMG, PHB, and MM.   If you wanted to do anything else you needed to hand edit the program.   The Licence allowed for Code Monkey to create the datasets, but these are not books they just allow for the proper structure so you can create a character electronically without having to type anything in, write on your character sheet or make a mistake in applying the effect of whatever you take to your characters ability scores, skill checks etc.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:06 pm 
 

Why are modules part of the dataset?


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:15 pm 
 

Because code monkey in its initial creation of the 3.0 datasets included all of the 3.0 material that WOTC created.   That included the small run of modules that were produced.    WOTC didn't produce Adventures for a while after the initial module run in 3.0.    

Code Monkey was also more interested in producing datasets for books and the remaining modules were never gotten to before the license was pulled.

Again, the modules contained new magic items, spells, equipment.   These items were included so if you played the module you could thus equip your character with the item / spell without having to create it yourself.  

They were only sold as parts of megasets I believe.   I purchased the converted megaset for $150.00~ that included them.  

Code Monkey could turn them around very quickly becuase some module might only contain a few new magic items, equipment, etc.

I don't recall if any new races / feats / skill appeared in those early modules, I don't think I ever looked.

Code monkey took all of this 3.0 info and converted into the 3.5 rule system.   You cannot utilize this info for 3.0 rules that was a different dataset purchase.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:06 pm 
 

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