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Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:22 pm 
 

again, whoever made the software, had no right to include the data that they had on it in the first place. your excuse of selling something you purchased....the infringement is already there, so you become a part of it.

your two examples...they were official releases...yours is not.

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:00 pm 
 

Yes they did, they had a license from WOTC to make the product.  Where is the infringement.   They legally were able to produce the sets.

  


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:03 pm 
 

Here's the press release where they lost the right to continue to sell new copies of the datasets.  

While these sets were manuafactured I purchased them legally.   I am not selling a new copy of the program I am selling my copy.  

From the CMP website:

Without preamble or holding anything back it's pretty simple:

Effective November 30th, we will no longer hold license with Wizards of the Coast to produce data sets of any kind for any program.

Wizards of the Coast has declined to extend our agreement, initially citing no reason. Then, after speaking with our contact at-length, we got this explanation: "Because of Future Product Considerations."

Whether this means 4th Edition is looming, they're doing things in house, or they've decided to give a license to someone else, we simply don't know.

What this means in simple terms is that as of December 1st there will be no Wizards of the Coast products available for sale from us. No data sets for e-Tools, PCGen or RPG Foundry. No Interactive Adventures or Atlases. No Fantasy Grounds Data Sets. Nothing. (And, yes, that does mean that all RPG Foundry data set pre-orders will be canceled and refunded.)

That does not mean that we're going out of business. We're not! This has no impact on our other publishers. We will still be producing data sets for them, and in fact we're working on adding a few other publishers to the list of those we do business with in order to bring even more data sets to you guys and gals.

This does, however, also mean no more e-Tools program sales. Which is not as big an issue as e-Tools was at the end of its life cycle, anyway. We had three new data sets for release this month, but that's not happening now as Wizards won't approve them at this stage. And we were basically done with e-Tools, anyhow.

So for a couple months we'll be producing and selling data sets for PCGen, only, until RPG Foundry is out.

But not all is "doom and gloom" around the Zoo! So here's the silver lining on those black clouds. We have (so far!):

Bastion Press and Zeitgeist Games have agreed to allow for our original RPG Foundry Data Swap. So for those products there will be a free data exchange option for RPG Foundry-format data sets from original e-Tools and/or PCGen purchases.


We're working on adding several other publishers to our list for PCGen and RPG Foundry data set creation, and not just for the D20 system! And things are looking good there. We can't say who at this time since negotiations are ongoing, of course, but we think people will be pleased.


In the next cycle of releases/updates (later this month) we'll finally be revising our PCGen data sets to support PCGen Stable Production Release 5.10.1! Testing was finally concluded without any major changes (primarily to game modes settings since PCGen code changed a few things there - more details/comments at release time on this) and all is looking good.


We'll be continuing to sell Bastion Press product PDFs and we're working with a few of our other publisher partners to sell their PDFs as well.


And we've got a few other things "in the works" that we can't detail just yet... but when we can say more we will!

As a final note on data sets: The "2 years of support" will officially begin as of December 1, 2006, and end December 1, 2008. We'll still be doing updates, bug fixes, etc on both the e-Tools and PCGen data sets. That hasn't changed. You'll still be able to download the files that you've previously purchased (all data, the e-Tools Program itself, the Interactive Adventures and the Fantasy Grounds data sets) until that date.

I'm sure some of you are wondering by now if this is going to impact RPG Foundry in any way, so let's address that. Only slightly. Some of you may remember that we said we were basing our initial data sets for RPG Foundry by importing our PCGen files, since they were text and easier to manipulate. But it's still a monkey-ugly conversion with lots of work needing to be done to massage that data into RPG Foundry format, so we've been saying we weren't going to do any type of converter to release to folks because of those reasons. Well... we're revisiting that option given the new circumstances. We're looking at making a slightly higher-functioning converter (though it still won't ever be perfect) available that will at least get the data massaged in such a manner that it's usable in RPG Foundry from PCGen and e-Tools. When we do, we'll release it as a standalone, "alpha test," unsupported application for folks.

There isn't really much more to tell. Those are the highlights of things, as we can tell them to you.

No punches pulled, no lies, just the plain, painful truth. As much as we can tell, anyway, because of NDAs.

We're not going anywhere, we're not folding shop and running away, RPG Foundry isn't dead and neither are we.

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:45 pm 
 

I honestly thought that most of the members here would have heard of this software in the past. It was fairly popular back in the early 2000's. Code Monkey did have a license from WoTC to do this software. I don't know how good it was as I never bought it, but it was 100% legit software. One of the rumors running around when WoTC did not renew their (code monkey publishing) license was that WoTC was not happy with seeing how well cmp was doing with their IP and they wanted to try it themselves. Just my 2 cents but there's still a lot of information out there if someone wants to "google" it.


Now as to whether he has ability to resale their software....now thats a whole other ball game, and without viewing the EULA's(End User Licensing Agreement) that came with it, none of us are in a position to answer that truthfully. If one can still access the EULA that pertains to this specific piece of software from their website, we might be able to get more information, but thats different than saying "its not legitimate software" and can go back to the whole software question in general. Has someone compared the EULA that came with this to the EULA that comes with Core Rules CD-ROM? Can people legally resale the Core Rules CD-ROM? Without viewing that EULA, I can't tell you either.

  

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GreyM wrote:Now as to whether he has ability to resale their software....now thats a whole other ball game, and without viewing the EULA's(End User Licensing Agreement) that came with it, none of us are in a position to answer that truthfully.


I think Code Monkey's is exactly where you should look to determine this.  There is no problem with reselling most commercial software.  But most items such as the offical D&D pdfs, mp3s from various sources etc are all nontransferable.

When you start looking at the CMP website you see things such as:
CMP wrote:I made my own data sets for books, can I share them here?

No. Sharing of data sets for e-Tools is prohibited by Wizards of the Coast.

I made my own data sets for books, can I share them somewhere else?

No. Sharing of data sets for e-Tools is prohibited by Wizards of the Coast.


Wizards of the Coast says, you can create your own datasets for personal use but it is illegal for you to share this with others (even not for profit).  Their end user agreement is the same as the pdfs nontransferable.

Is this legal to do?  Of course it is.  When you bought the datasets, you agreed that they were still property of WotC and other publishers and for you personal use not for resale or duplication.  Lots of other companies do the same thing.  It is also illegal to sell your World of Warcraft character as well.

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:30 pm 
 

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Whether you have the legal right to sell your copy of the software is irrelevant.

You were offering for sale a back-up copy of the software and that is against the law no matter how you spin it.


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Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:22 pm 
 

Your Right I did use the term Backup Copy in the description for the Etools program itself.   That was clearly my fault.  I have since located the original CD I had assumed I would be able to find it and got lazy in updated the description.  


Hear is the agreement and it does allow for Transfer of Sale as long as the purchaser agrees to the terms.

SOFTWARE LICENSE AND LIMITED WARRANTY

PLEASE READ THIS LICENSE CAREFULLY BEFORE INSTALLING OR USING THE SOFTWARE.  BY USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE.  IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DELETE THE SOFTWARE AND ALL RELATED FILES FROM YOUR COMPUTER, AND PROMPTLY RETURN THIS PACKAGE AND ITS CONTENTS TO THE PLACE OF PURCHASE.

The computer software, artwork, music, and other components included in this product (collectively the "Software") are the copyrighted property of Wizards of the Coast, Inc. ("Wizards").  The Software is licensed (not sold) to you, and Wizards owns all copyright, trade secret, patent and other proprietary rights in the Software.  You may use the Software on a single computer.  You may not:  (1) copy (other than once for back-up purposes), distribute, rent, lease or sublicense all or any portion of the Software; (2) modify or prepare derivative works of the Software; (3) transmit the Software over a network, by telephone, or electronically using any means; (4) design or distribute unauthorized levels; or (5) reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the Software. You may transfer the Software, but only if the recipient agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this Agreement.  If you transfer the Software, you must transfer all components and documentation and erase any copies residing on computer equipment.  Your license is automatically terminated if you transfer the Software.

Wizards warrants to the original consumer purchaser that the media furnished in this product will be free from defects in materials and workmanship under normal use for a period of ninety (90) days from the date of purchase (as evidenced by your receipt).  If the media supplied as part of this product proves to be defective, and provided that the consumer purchaser returns the media to Wizards, Wizards will replace the defective media.  You expressly acknowledge and agree that use of the Software is at your sole risk.  Except for the limited ninety (90) day warranty on the media set forth above, the Software and any related documentation or materials are provided "AS IS" and without warranty of any kind.  WIZARDS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS AND IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.  WIZARDS DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE FUNCTIONS CONTAINED IN THE SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, OR THAT THE OPERATION OF THE SOFTWARE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED.  THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE RESULTS AND PERFORMANCE OF THE SOFTWARE IS ASSUMED BY YOU AND YOU (AND NOT WIZARDS) ASSUME THE ENTIRE COST OF ALL SERVICING, REPAIR AND/OR CORRECTION.  SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES, SO THE ABOVE EXCLUSION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

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Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:39 pm 
 

THIS IS THE ENTIRE LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR CORE RULES

Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Core Rules CD-ROM Version 2.0

Copyright 1998 TSR, Inc.  All rights reserved.

Advanced Dungeons & Dragons is a Trademark of TSR, Inc.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:29 am 
 

My new EBAY Listing.   Does anybody have any problems with this?

From the Wizard of the Coast Website: 2/24/2003
Code Monkey Publishing has agreed to provide a patch for Wizard's E-Tools. This patch for the E-Tools program, which will fix a lengthy list of bugs, will be completed and made available within 90 days to Wizards of the Coast. Code Monkey Publishing will also provide initial and continued support for E-Tools through their website, which will be the official E-Tools website henceforth. This means the patch will be available for download from the Code Monkey website, as well as providing forums for E-Tools discussion to the public. All questions, concerns and comments addressing E-Tools can be directed to these forums starting right away, by choosing the Zoo Graffiti link from the main page of Code Monkey's site.

Additionally, Code Monkey Publishing, which is collaborating with and guiding the free open-source project known as PCGen, has received permission to use Wizards of the Coast published materials for the creation of data sets, to be used in both PCGen and E-Tools. These will be made available on the Code Monkey Publishing website as they are completed.

Under this agreement Code Monkey legally produced a number of Datasets for both the programs PCGen and E-tools.   I purchased all of the sets that were produced for both the PCGen program and the E-Tools program.  

Under the terms of the software license agreement:  You agree by bidding on this auction to these terms.   That the license is being transferred to you and that you will not copy, distribute, rent, lease, or sublicense this software to anybody.   You as the purchaser do have the right to transfer the license provided that you immediately destroy all copies of the software at the time of transfer.

SOFTWARE LICENSE AND LIMITED WARRANTY

PLEASE READ THIS LICENSE CAREFULLY BEFORE INSTALLING OR USING THE SOFTWARE.  BY USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE.  IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DELETE THE SOFTWARE AND ALL RELATED FILES FROM YOUR COMPUTER, AND PROMPTLY RETURN THIS PACKAGE AND ITS CONTENTS TO THE PLACE OF PURCHASE.

The computer software, artwork, music, and other components included in this product (collectively the "Software") are the copyrighted property of Wizards of the Coast, Inc. ("Wizards").  The Software is licensed (not sold) to you, and Wizards owns all copyright, trade secret, patent and other proprietary rights in the Software.  You may use the Software on a single computer.  You may not:  (1) copy (other than once for back-up purposes), distribute, rent, lease or sublicense all or any portion of the Software; (2) modify or prepare derivative works of the Software; (3) transmit the Software over a network, by telephone, or electronically using any means; (4) design or distribute unauthorized levels; or (5) reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the Software. You may transfer the Software, but only if the recipient agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this Agreement.  If you transfer the Software, you must transfer all components and documentation and erase any copies residing on computer equipment.  Your license is automatically terminated if you transfer the Software.

Wizards warrants to the original consumer purchaser that the media furnished in this product will be free from defects in materials and workmanship under normal use for a period of ninety (90) days from the date of purchase (as evidenced by your receipt).  If the media supplied as part of this product proves to be defective, and provided that the consumer purchaser returns the media to Wizards, Wizards will replace the defective media.  You expressly acknowledge and agree that use of the Software is at your sole risk.  Except for the limited ninety (90) day warranty on the media set forth above, the Software and any related documentation or materials are provided "AS IS" and without warranty of any kind.  WIZARDS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS AND IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.  WIZARDS DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE FUNCTIONS CONTAINED IN THE SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, OR THAT THE OPERATION OF THE SOFTWARE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED.  THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE RESULTS AND PERFORMANCE OF THE SOFTWARE IS ASSUMED BY YOU AND YOU (AND NOT WIZARDS) ASSUME THE ENTIRE COST OF ALL SERVICING, REPAIR AND/OR CORRECTION.  SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES, SO THE ABOVE EXCLUSION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE SHALL WIZARDS, OR ITS DIRECTORS, OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES OR AGENTS, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, SPECIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF BUSINESS PROFITS, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, LOST DATA, LOSS OF BUSINESS INFORMATION, AND THE LIKE) ARISING OUT OF THE POSSESSION, USE, OR MALFUNCTION OF THE SOFTWARE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION DAMAGE TO PROPERTY AND, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, DAMAGES FOR PERSONAL INJURY, EVEN IF WIZARDS OR A WIZARDS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES OR LOSS.  SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION OF LIABILITY FOR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THE ABOVE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

THIS WARRANTY GIVES YOU SPECIFIC LEGAL RIGHTS, AND YOU MAY HAVE OTHER RIGHTS DEPENDING ON THE LAWS IN YOUR STATE.  YOU AGREE THAT THE LIABILITY OF WIZARDS ARISING OUT OF ANY KIND OF LEGAL CLAIM (WHETHER IN CONTRACT, TORT, OR OTHERWISE) WILL NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNT YOU ORIGINALLY PAID FOR THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE.

If the Software is acquired under agreement with the U.S. government or any contractor therewith, it is acquired as "commercial computer software" subject to the provisions hereof, as specified in 48 CFR 12.212 of the FAR and, if acquired for Department of Defense (DoD) units, 48 CFR 227-7202 of the DoD FAR Supplement, or sections succeeding thereto.

Dungeons & Dragons, D&D, and the Wizards of the Coast logo are registered trademarks of Wizards of the Coast, Inc., a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc.

(c) Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

This is a work of fiction.  All of the characters and events portrayed in this game are fictional.  Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, or actual events, is purely coincidental.

We recommend that you retain this document for future reference.

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I am selling of all my purchased datasets for PCGEN and Etools that I obtained from Code Monkey publishing.   These datasets were legally produced by them for WOTC under license.  (see above press release).  I have all the original receipts for these datasets and will provide them as proof of transfer of the license.

These datasets cost approximately $450.00 when purchased.   They can no longer be sold by code monkey because WOTC revoked the license in 2007.    Code Monkey is providing support for this software through December 31, 2008.   It is unlikely that they will patch the datasets for E-Tools however.

I am also including an original CD of the Etools program itself along with the patch to bring it to the latest version of the program.   The latest version is 1.666.

I will provide the link to download PCGEN.   PCGEN is an open source program that can be downloaded for free in a matter of minutes.   It is Java Based software.    The current version of PCGen is Version 5.13 the datasets will only work on Version 5.12 which is still downloadable.   Code Monkey might or might not update the datasets to version 5.13.

Again, these sets are 100% legal and I have the right to sell my originals under the terms of the software license agreement.

This is what you get for the products: BOTH PCGEN AND ETOOLS
DATASETS ARE PROVIDED (E-TOOLS)
Core 3.5 Series
Monster Manual 3.5
DMG 3.5
PHB 3.5
Complete Series:
Complete Adventurer
Complete Arcane
Complete Divine
Complete Warrior
Book of Exalted Deeds
Draconomicon
Dragonlance Campaign Setting
Eberron: Campaign Setting
Expanded Psionics Handbook
Frostburn
Heroes of Battle
Libris Mortis
Miniatures Handbook
Monster Manual III
Planar Handbook
Player's Guide to Faer
Races of Eberron
Sandstorm
Stormwrack
Races of Destiny
Races of Stone
Races of the Wile
Serpeant Kindom
Shining South
Unearthed Arcana
Mega Pack Converted to 3.5 with Modules
Arms and Equipment Guide
Book of Challenges
City of the Spider Queen
Defenders of the Faith
Deities and Demigods
Dungeon Master 3.5
Enemies and Allies
Epic Level Handbook
Faiths and Pantheons
Fiend Folio
Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting
Hero Builders Guide Book
Into the Dragons Lair
Living Greyhawk Gazetteer
Lords of Darkness
Lord of the Iron Fortress
Magic of Faeurn
Master of the Wild
Monster of Faerun
Monster Manual 2
Monster Manual 3.5
Oriental Adventures Campaign Setting
Players Handbook 3.5
Pool of Radiance Attack on Myth Drannor
Psionics Handbook
Races of Faerun
Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil
Savage Species
Silver Marches
Song and Silence
Stonrghold Builders Guidebook
Sword and Fist
The Bastion of Broken Souls
The Forge and the Fury
The Heart of Nightbfang Spire
The Speaker in Dreams
The Standing Stone
The Sunless Citadel
TOme and Blook
Unapproachable East
Underdark
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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:06 am 
 

stephenf wrote:Your Right I did use the term Backup Copy in the description for the Etools program itself.   That was clearly my fault.  I have since located the original CD I had assumed I would be able to find it and got lazy in updated the description.  


Hear is the agreement and it does allow for Transfer of Sale as long as the purchaser agrees to the terms.

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This is the agreement for the actual E-Tools software right?  Not the datasets.  Two different beasts.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:15 am 
 

No the agreement is from the datasets.   I will post the agreement from the E-tools program if it is different shortly.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:18 am 
 

Agreement for the E-tools program itself.   It also allows for transfer under the same conditions.

SOFTWARE LICENSE AND LIMITED WARRANTY

PLEASE READ THIS LICENSE CAREFULLY BEFORE INSTALLING OR USING THE SOFTWARE.  BY USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE.  IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DELETE THE SOFTWARE AND ALL RELATED FILES FROM YOUR COMPUTER, AND PROMPTLY RETURN THIS PACKAGE AND ITS CONTENTS TO THE PLACE OF PURCHASE.

The computer software, artwork, music, and other components included in this product (collectively the "Software") are the copyrighted property of Wizards of the Coast, Inc. ("Wizards").  The Software is licensed (not sold) to you, and Wizards owns all copyright, trade secret, patent and other proprietary rights in the Software.  You may use the Software on a single computer.  You may not:  (1) copy (other than once for back-up purposes), distribute, rent, lease or sublicense all or any portion of the Software; (2) modify or prepare derivative works of the Software; (3) transmit the Software over a network, by telephone, or electronically using any means; (4) design or distribute unauthorized levels; or (5) reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the Software. You may transfer the Software, but only if the recipient agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this Agreement.  If you transfer the Software, you must transfer all components and documentation and erase any copies residing on computer equipment.  Your license is automatically terminated if you transfer the Software.

Wizards warrants to the original consumer purchaser that the media furnished in this product will be free from defects in materials and workmanship under normal use for a period of ninety (90) days from the date of purchase (as evidenced by your receipt).  If the media supplied as part of this product proves to be defective, and provided that the consumer purchaser returns the media to Wizards, Wizards will replace the defective media.  You expressly acknowledge and agree that use of the Software is at your sole risk.  Except for the limited ninety (90) day warranty on the media set forth above, the Software and any related documentation or materials are provided "AS IS" and without warranty of any kind.  WIZARDS EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS AND IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.  WIZARDS DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE FUNCTIONS CONTAINED IN THE SOFTWARE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, OR THAT THE OPERATION OF THE SOFTWARE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR-FREE, OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED.  THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE RESULTS AND PERFORMANCE OF THE SOFTWARE IS ASSUMED BY YOU AND YOU (AND NOT WIZARDS) ASSUME THE ENTIRE COST OF ALL SERVICING, REPAIR AND/OR CORRECTION.  SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES, SO THE ABOVE EXCLUSION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE SHALL WIZARDS, OR ITS DIRECTORS, OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES OR AGENTS, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, SPECIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF BUSINESS PROFITS, BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, LOST DATA, LOSS OF BUSINESS INFORMATION, AND THE LIKE) ARISING OUT OF THE POSSESSION, USE, OR MALFUNCTION OF THE SOFTWARE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION DAMAGE TO PROPERTY AND, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY LAW, DAMAGES FOR PERSONAL INJURY, EVEN IF WIZARDS OR A WIZARDS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES OR LOSS.  SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION OF LIABILITY FOR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THE ABOVE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.

THIS WARRANTY GIVES YOU SPECIFIC LEGAL RIGHTS, AND YOU MAY HAVE OTHER RIGHTS DEPENDING ON THE LAWS IN YOUR STATE.  YOU AGREE THAT THE LIABILITY OF WIZARDS ARISING OUT OF ANY KIND OF LEGAL CLAIM (WHETHER IN CONTRACT, TORT, OR OTHERWISE) WILL NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNT YOU ORIGINALLY PAID FOR THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE.

If the Software is acquired under agreement with the U.S. government or any contractor therewith, it is acquired as "commercial computer software" subject to the provisions hereof, as specified in 48 CFR 12.212 of the FAR and, if acquired for Department of Defense (DoD) units, 48 CFR 227-7202 of the DoD FAR Supplement, or sections succeeding thereto.

Dungeons & Dragons, D&D, and the Wizards of the Coast logo are registered trademarks of Wizards of the Coast, Inc., a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc.

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:51 am 
 

Going by the title, it seems this software generates characters. What else does it do? There are modules included in the list, not just rulebooks, so my guess is that you can just print out whatever you might like from the "datasets", which is probably a fancy term for searchable PDF's.


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:56 am 
 

No you cannot just print out the rulebooks.    The modules include the magic items and the NPC's stats not the modules themselves or any desctipions of the text.    You also still need the PHB / DMG and whatever books to get the full descriptions of the spells etc.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:00 am 
 

The program included a Character Generator the purpose of the additional books was to allow for the creation of the character utilizing the new spells, equipment, classes etc.   The program would then automatically add the necessary feets, skills points etc,.

You would create a character similar to the core rules / core rules expansion however, unlike those programs which contained the full text these do not.   In addition, you cannot directly access the data in a usable format it's built into the program itself.

It also included the ability to quick generate NPC's, Customize Monsters, there is a dice roller, random encounter and radom treasure generators as well I believe.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:08 am 
 

Specifically:

Create New Character
Create New Monster
Create New Treasure
Create New Table

Generate Character
Generate Monster
Generate Treasure
Generate Table

With the Generate Table feature any table in the mentioned books was presented and it would randomly roll on the table for you and display the results:

For Example:  From the DMG the Random Adventuring Table would roll a 1d100 and display the result:
Two parts of a magic item are in the hands of bitter enemies, the third is lost.


You could also
Build a Race
Create House Rules
Plus the Die Roller

Here is a sample character from the program.   As you can see you need the books!

Losse hinge, Male Halfling, Lightfoot Wiz1: CR 1;Small Humanoid (Halfling); HD 1d4+1(Wizard); hp 5; Init +3; Spd 20; AC:14 (Flatfooted:11 Touch:14); Atk +0 base melee, +4 base ranged; RF: +2 Bonus on Saves vs. Fear, +1 attack bonus with thrown weapons; AL NG; SV Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +4; STR 8, DEX 16, CON 13, INT 15, WIS 12, CHA 8.
Skills: Climb +1, Concentration +5, Decipher Script +6, Hide +7, Jump -5, Knowledge (Arcana) +6, Knowledge (The Planes) +6, Listen +3, Move Silently +7, Spellcraft +6.

Feats: Combat Casting, Scribe Scroll, Spell Focus: Necromancy.
Spells Known (Wiz 3/2): 0 -- Acid Splash, Arcane Mark, Dancing Lights, Daze, Detect Ghost, Detect Magic, Detect Poison, Disrupt Ectoplasm, Disrupt Undead, Electric Jolt, Flare, Ghost Sound, Horizikaul`s Cough, Launch Bolt, Light, Mage Hand, Mending, Message, No Light, Open/Close, Preserve Ectoplasm, Preserve Organ, Prestidigitation, Ray of Frost, Read Magic, Repair Minor Damage, Silent Portal, Slash Tongue, Stick, Touch of Fatigue, Unnerving Gaze; 1st -- Burning Hands, Enlarge Person, Feather Fall, Magic Missile, Ray of Enfeeblement.
Spells Prepared (Wiz 3/2): 0 - Dancing Lights, Detect Magic, Ray of Frost, Touch of Fatigue (s); 1st - Burning Hands, Magic Missile, Ray of Enfeeblement (s).
Possessions:
Weapons: Crossbow, light (35 gp); Quarterstaff (0 gp).
Goods: Coin: gp (80) (64,000 gp).
Bailey, Male Animal, Cat : CR 1/4;Tiny Animal ; HD 1d8 (Animal); hp 2; Init +2; Spd 30; AC 15; Atk -2 base melee, +4 base ranged; +4/-1 (1d2-4, 2 Claw; 1d3-4, Bite); SQ: Low-light Vision (Ex), Scent (Ex); AL N; SV Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +3; STR 3, DEX 15, CON 10, INT 6, WIS 12, CHA 7.
Skills: Balance +10, Climb +6, Concentration +5, Hide +14, Jump +10, Listen +3, Move Silently +7, Spot +3.
Feats: Weapon Finesse.

  

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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:10 am 
 

Hmm, I wonder if it is technically legal to resell the 1st print 3.0 PHB, the one with the CD in the back...


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:11 am 
 

The nice thing about the product:  When you print out an actual character sheet itself it tells you the book and page number to go to:

For Example:
Accelerated Movement:

Swift. Balance, Climb, or Move silently at normal speed with no penalty on skill checks (CAdv142).

You get a brief description that is sometimes all that you need but it is not the complete description.   For that you would have to go to the book:

Complete Adventrurer and turn to page 142.

  


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Post Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:12 am 
 

The Free version in the back of the book was called:

The Character Generator.   It was completely broken, given out for free on WOTC's website and became ETOOLS.

  
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