Sellers who infringed upon copyrights; reported.
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. Page 93 of 111123 ... 90, 91, 92, 93, 94 ... 109110111
Author

User avatar

Sage Collector

Posts: 2736
Joined: May 31, 2007
Last Visit: Mar 22, 2021

Post Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:24 am 
 

a classic that was edgy in the 70s and would be IMPOSSIBLE to broadcast now in our PC world


Not to be argumentative, but Nickelodeon (yeah, that's right, the children's network) ran a week-long marathon of All in the Family. Of course, they did put a "warning" before it. At least they gave it a shot... not like Wal-Mart.


Those who can, don't. Those who should not, do.

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 7965
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 19, 2022
Location: DFW TX

Post Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:47 am 
 

serleran wrote:
Not to be argumentative, but Nickelodeon (yeah, that's right, the children's network) ran a week-long marathon of All in the Family. Of course, they did put a "warning" before it. At least they gave it a shot... not like Wal-Mart.


I'm not talking about reruns...which have the slightly sanitized aspect of being "30 years old"...I'm talking about an actual remake or even a debut of a show similar to All in the Family.  There is not 1 in 1 million chance in hell a show like this could be greenlighted in our overly sensitive PC society nowadays. Consider:

The main character is an unapologetic racist and misogynist, and is never really punished for such behavior throughtout the show.  True, he is ridiculed, but each episode ends with him still secure in his beliefs.  Although his uneducated viewpoint is played for laughs, it's made clear that this is an "everyman" and not some aberration.

His wife, who he calls "dingbat", is a loving but incredibly unintelligent woman, and not noticibly smoking hot.  The trend nowadays is to give the fat, ignorant husband of sitcoms a smoking hot (or at least attractive) woman that is (of course!) much more intelligent than him, so she can wink her eye at the audience when her husband says something over the top.

His daughter and son in law are freewheeling liberal lefties, yet everything they say and do, when sometimes much more intelligent compared to the main character's stubborn prejudice, isn't given profound social relevance. Instead, often their over the top liberalism is also made fun of as much as the main character's strident conservatism.  

I could go on and on, but so many standard TV tropisms are broken in this show, if you were to pitch this today, they would toss you out of the office so hard your ass would bounce.  The closest show to it nowadays is South Park, which is possibly the most politically incorrect show of all time, and was supposedly inspired by Parker and Stone's love of All in the Family.  However, since it's a cartoon, the episodes don't have the same impact that a "real" show of this type would have (although it's inspired lots of controversy over the years).

Mike B.


"THE MORE YOU THINK ABOUT WHY i DONE WHAT i DONE THE MORE i LAUGH" Cougar
"The Acaeum hates fun" Sir Allen
"I had a collecting emergency" Nogrod
Co-founder of the North Texas RPG Con
http://www.ntrpgcon.com

 WWW  

User avatar

Sage Collector

Posts: 2736
Joined: May 31, 2007
Last Visit: Mar 22, 2021

Post Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:50 am 
 

On this, Mike, we are in complete agreement.


Those who can, don't. Those who should not, do.

  


Prolific Collector

Posts: 341
Joined: May 18, 2008
Last Visit: Aug 03, 2008

Post Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:48 pm 
 

Badmike wrote:
I'm not talking about reruns...which have the slightly sanitized aspect of being "30 years old"...I'm talking about an actual remake or even a debut of a show similar to All in the Family.  There is not 1 in 1 million chance in hell a show like this could be greenlighted in our overly sensitive PC society nowadays. Consider:

The main character is an unapologetic racist and misogynist, and is never really punished for such behavior throughtout the show.  True, he is ridiculed, but each episode ends with him still secure in his beliefs.  Although his uneducated viewpoint is played for laughs, it's made clear that this is an "everyman" and not some aberration.

His wife, who he calls "dingbat", is a loving but incredibly unintelligent woman, and not noticibly smoking hot.  The trend nowadays is to give the fat, ignorant husband of sitcoms a smoking hot (or at least attractive) woman that is (of course!) much more intelligent than him, so she can wink her eye at the audience when her husband says something over the top.

His daughter and son in law are freewheeling liberal lefties, yet everything they say and do, when sometimes much more intelligent compared to the main character's stubborn prejudice, isn't given profound social relevance. Instead, often their over the top liberalism is also made fun of as much as the main character's strident conservatism.  

I could go on and on, but so many standard TV tropisms are broken in this show, if you were to pitch this today, they would toss you out of the office so hard your ass would bounce.  The closest show to it nowadays is South Park, which is possibly the most politically incorrect show of all time, and was supposedly inspired by Parker and Stone's love of All in the Family.  However, since it's a cartoon, the episodes don't have the same impact that a "real" show of this type would have (although it's inspired lots of controversy over the years).

Mike B.


On a side note what was the English show that All in the Family was based on? (Was it Rising Damp?)

I always thought All in the family was heavy left-wing propaganda  myself, but that's just me.

Another show that wouldn't work in the USA would be 'House of Cards" three British TV movies, I think that was the title. It's done from the villains point of view with cool asides to the audience. The first two are excellent and the third seems to have been made to PC the series because the villain was way to succesful. Can't have the bad guy win.

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 7965
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 19, 2022
Location: DFW TX

Post Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:50 pm 
 

JZavoda wrote:
On a side note what was the English show that All in the Family was based on? (Was it Rising Damp?)

I always thought All in the family was heavy left-wing propaganda  myself, but that's just me.

Another show that wouldn't work in the USA would be 'House of Cards" three British TV movies, I think that was the title. It's done from the villains point of view with cool asides to the audience. The first two are excellent and the third seems to have been made to PC the series because the villain was way to succesful. Can't have the bad guy win.


The English series was called "Till Death Do Us Part". From what I understand from reading about it, it was a little rougher and darker than even the American version.

There's no doubt Meathead and Gloria's POV is often presented as the "rational" pov to Archie's rantings.  But there are quite a few episodes where Michael Stivik's left wing leanings are made fun of, or he's shown to be a hypocrite.  Just off the top of my head, he protests his wife Gloria working (even though he's supposedly a huge women's lib supporter) because the MAN is the breadwinner of the family; there's the time he lets his friend live with them whose even leftier than he and Gloria are and they end up throwing him out because he's even farther left than them, then the classic episode where the black burglars hold them hostage (I think one is played by Cleavon Little) and Mike attempts to justify their criminal tendencies by saying they are poor and black and live in the ghetto, and one of the robbers sneers to him "What do YOU know about that?".  

Funny stuff, and very edgy for the time.  I also was surprised at the amount of violence in this show which I doubt sitcoms would show today in a comedy.  There is Edith's near rape, a jewish neighbor is blown up in his car outside their house by anti-semitics, and in one episode Mike and his transvestite friend are stabbed by muggers, killing the friend, who had actually been on a few episodes (going by memory here, I haven't seen reruns in years). Imagine someone trying to rape Ray Romano's mom in Everyone Loves Raymond, or the Friend's cast having to confront the fact a gay friend is beaten to death outside their apartment, or one of Charlie Sheen's girlfriends drowning on the beach in an episode of Two and a Half Men.  Never would happen.

I'll have to catch House of Cards...looks really cool from the bits and pieces I've seen.  

Mike B.


"THE MORE YOU THINK ABOUT WHY i DONE WHAT i DONE THE MORE i LAUGH" Cougar
"The Acaeum hates fun" Sir Allen
"I had a collecting emergency" Nogrod
Co-founder of the North Texas RPG Con
http://www.ntrpgcon.com

 WWW  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
JG Valuation Board
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 5029
Joined: Oct 11, 2004
Last Visit: Jan 16, 2017
Location: Texas

Post Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:20 am 
 

cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chainmail-3rd-ed-TSR-rul ... dZViewItem

All of his items seem to be in very nice condition.
The seller also placed an ad in the Acaeum Classifieds, but some folks here may not look at the classified ads.

He started his listing VERY high on the Chainmail (TOO high IMO)
100 (USD+/-)  seems too high to me for this book.
It is a Nice looking 3rd Chainmail (Dont know which printing though)

He also has a VERY NICE looking Greyhawk 8th print and a good looking 5th White Box Set with no Reference/Errata sheets.


"Guys, I am starting to think Tegel Manor might be haunted..."
Stated by me as a PC during a run of Tegel Manor DMed by killjoy at NTRPGCon 2010

Charter Member of the ATM

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 8219
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Last Visit: Jun 12, 2017
Location: Wallasey, Merseyside, UK

Post Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:05 am 
 

Aneoth wrote:cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chainmail-3rd-ed-TSR-rul ... dZViewItem

All of his items seem to be in very nice condition.
The seller also placed an ad in the Acaeum Classifieds, but some folks here may not look at the classified ads.

He started his listing VERY high on the Chainmail (TOO high IMO)
100 (USD+/-)  seems too high to me for this book.
It is a Nice looking 3rd Chainmail (Dont know which printing though)

He also has a VERY NICE looking Greyhawk 8th print and a good looking 5th White Box Set with no Reference/Errata sheets.


so anny...er...how is he infringing copyright?



  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
JG Valuation Board
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 5029
Joined: Oct 11, 2004
Last Visit: Jan 16, 2017
Location: Texas

Post Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:25 am 
 

killjoy32 wrote:
so anny...er...how is he infringing copyright?


wrong thread man. :oops:
sorry......


"Guys, I am starting to think Tegel Manor might be haunted..."
Stated by me as a PC during a run of Tegel Manor DMed by killjoy at NTRPGCon 2010

Charter Member of the ATM

  


Active Collector

Posts: 27
Joined: Jun 27, 2008
Last Visit: Jul 16, 2008

Post Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:38 pm 
 

Being new to the forum, I wasnt around for much of the posts in the thread, and all the old links are dead.  

Im curious as to what are the most common violation of copyright infringements?  discs full of scanned books?  scans of old and out of print books and mods?  ever see fake books or anything like that?  if someone were selling a new T shirt with the vintage TSR logo is that copyright infringement?

The thought of policing EBAY for WOC is a bit odd, I think.

  


Verbose Collector

Posts: 1324
Joined: May 28, 2007
Last Visit: Aug 27, 2011
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

Post Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:59 pm 
 

Pennfarms wrote:Being new to the forum, I wasnt around for much of the posts in the thread, and all the old links are dead.  

Im curious as to what are the most common violation of copyright infringements?  discs full of scanned books?  scans of old and out of print books and mods?  ever see fake books or anything like that?  if someone were selling a new T shirt with the vintage TSR logo is that copyright infringement?

The thought of policing EBAY for WOC is a bit odd, I think.


Generally it's DVDs/CDs full of scanned books.


"Reader, Carthegena was of the mind, that unto thoſe Three Things, which the Ancients held Impoſſible, there ſhould be added this Fourth ; To find a Book Printed without Errata's."

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 5652
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 16, 2022
Location: New Hampsha

Post Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:33 pm 
 


** expired eBay auction **


Is this a PDF-style compilation? If so, I'll buy it up and report it as counterfeit.


If you hit a Rowsdower, you get to keep it.

 WWW  


Active Collector

Posts: 42
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
Last Visit: Aug 07, 2013

Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:42 pm 
 

I am selling my DATASETS for the software programs PCGEN and ETOOLS.  I purchased them legally and am selling all interest in them now that I am moving to 4th edition.    I have the original receipts and software for this program that will be shipped to the buyer of record.

The DATASETS are NOT PDF's of the books and Deadlord39 if you have any additional questions I will be more than happy to answer them.

I will not be selling multiple copies on EBAY after this auction.   This is a one shot chance to purchase the datasets that CODE MONKEY PUBLISHING can no longer sell.

  


Active Collector

Posts: 42
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
Last Visit: Aug 07, 2013

Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:00 pm 
 

A few people have asked if these are PDF's.   They are not.  



These DATASETS were created by CODE MONKEY PUBLISHING and LICENSED by WOTC officially.   They allowed no open sourced books (see above list) to have datasets created for them to allow software character creation programs to utilize that material LEGALLY.   Code Monkey lost the license to sell datasets last year I believe and they have given final notice that no more updates will be made for the PCGEN and ETOOLS datasets as of NOVEMBER 2008.  

It is unlikely that another update for teh ETOOLS datasets will occur.   PCGEN is currently up to version 5.13 I believe.  The PCGEN datasets only work to 5.12 (You can still donwload) .   They or some third party are working on a script to allow them to run in version 5.13 of PCGEN.  Code Monkey might or Might not update these datasets before the end.  

In either case these datasets allow you to create characters / monsters / NPC's etc using the material from these books legally.

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 8219
Joined: Jan 21, 2005
Last Visit: Jun 12, 2017
Location: Wallasey, Merseyside, UK

Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:01 pm 
 

eh?

looks like blatant copyright infringement to me.

Al



  


Active Collector

Posts: 42
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
Last Visit: Aug 07, 2013

Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:32 pm 
 

I'm selling software that I purchased.  I am legally and rightfully entitled to.

  


Prolific Collector

Posts: 341
Joined: May 18, 2008
Last Visit: Aug 03, 2008

Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:35 pm 
 

stephenf wrote:I'm selling software that I purchased.  I am legally and rightfully entitled to.


Not if the software is illeagal to begin with.

  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector
Acaeum Donor

Posts: 7965
Joined: Jun 23, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 19, 2022
Location: DFW TX

Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:57 pm 
 

hi, you should be aware that there are some jerks at The Acaeum about to give you a hard time. about348-1660.html Jul-06-08
A:   Why, I'm releasing all rights to the datasets to the new owner. These aren't PDF's.


So, anyone want to fess up to being the whining P-wuss?  :D

Mike B.


"THE MORE YOU THINK ABOUT WHY i DONE WHAT i DONE THE MORE i LAUGH" Cougar
"The Acaeum hates fun" Sir Allen
"I had a collecting emergency" Nogrod
Co-founder of the North Texas RPG Con
http://www.ntrpgcon.com

 WWW  

User avatar

Grandstanding Collector

Posts: 6102
Joined: May 03, 2003
Last Visit: Jan 17, 2022
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:01 pm 
 

stephenf wrote:I'm selling software that I purchased.  I am legally and rightfully entitled to.


If you go to the Code Monkey website and read the about what you bought, I don't think you have the right to resell the items you purchased from them.  In fact, you do not even have the right to share any datasets you create yourself.

 WWW  
PreviousNext
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. Page 93 of 111123 ... 90, 91, 92, 93, 94 ... 109110111