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Badmike
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:58 am

PurpleDragon wrote:I think there is a big difference between making photocopies and giving them to a friends/acquaintance as opposed to making copies and then trying to sell them. The whole "you are compensating me for the time and effort I have spent gathering and copying the item" just never holds water. Personally, I think this seller with the photocopies would be far better served just not even mentioning the photocopies and just including them with the package. He is not going to see any extra bidding because of the copies, so why even bother bringing up the potential hassle of having people e-mailing him and complaining.

This is probably the best idea, occassionally I throw in photocopied articles or handouts that are just taking up space when I sell a item....the last thing I remember is last year including a bunch of photocopied Boot Hill articles from Dragon magazine. I just included them in the original BH box when I sold it on Ebay. If I mentioned it, it was along the lines of "Various Boot Hill articles from Dragon magazine included" or something like that. I don't think it made me any extra profit.

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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:00 am

Badmike wrote:

He doesn't specifically say he has a photocopied B1 or anything...he just says photocopied scenarios. They could be pieces of crap he wrote up himself, then photocopied. Unless you buy the lot and see for yourself, or ask him, there's no way of knowing. And he also skirts a fine line by saying "bonus" in the description....in other words, he isn't selling them, he's just including them in the lot.

Purpledragon wrote:

Personally, I think this seller with the photocopies would be far better served just not even mentioning the photocopies and just including them with the package. He is not going to see any extra bidding because of the copies, so why even bother bringing up the potential hassle of having people e-mailing him and complaining.

A certain perspective on the entire "copyright infringement" issue needs to always be kept. Badmike's point is cetainly valid in that he skirts the issue by not specifically stating what is photocopied and calling them "bonus". By the same token, the advice that Purpledragon gives is sound. . . however, what must be kept in mind is that this guy has no idea about any of this. Here is someone with "0" feedback who is trying to sell a bunch of D&D stuff for way too much money. Amongst all the "D&D treasures" he feels he has are some photocopied items - let's imagine his buddy copied some modules "way back in the day." So he throws them in and calls it a bonus (figuring correctly that is has no value).

He can't heed Purpledragon's advice because he has absolutely no idea of the enormity of eBay. The thought that this could even be an issue has not entered his head, nor would he ever imagine that it would be discussed by others (or even any notice taken of it to begin with). Even if he came right out and stated: "I am including a photocopied King's Harvest, Keep on the Borderlands and Veiled Society" would it even matter? He's just trying to unload his pile of stuff. . .

So, I guess the point I am driving at is this: this guy's vague description essentially protects him, but if he (or someone else) came right out and stated the photocopied names of TSR/WOTC items they were including should they be reported? In a case like this - definitely "No". Judgement must be exercised to stop only those who are blatantly selling copyrighted materials or making them a substantial part of their auction.

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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:39 am

beyondthebreach wrote:
So, I guess the point I am driving at is this: this guy's vague description essentially protects him, but if he (or someone else) came right out and stated the photocopied names of TSR/WOTC items they were including should they be reported? In a case like this - definitely "No". Judgement must be exercised to stop only those who are blatantly selling copyrighted materials or making them a substantial part of their auction.

All good points. Sometimes with tunnel vision we don't see the forest for the trees. I'm sure copyright infringement and such was farthest from this dude's mind...I didn't even check out his feedback and realize he was a newbay. Ebay has plenty other true fools aboard selling PDF's with 100 modules on them than to waste time with this guy's couple of probably badly photocopied adventure notes.

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:52 am

Is it possible this is legal?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 28962&rd=1

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:11 am

Of course not.

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:53 pm

Terminal_Frost wrote:Is it possible this is legal?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 28962&rd=1

Reported

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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:02 pm

Wow, look, the same guy that bought Game EmWhorium's big-ticket items has high bid on the PDF CD's.

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GamesGuy
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:36 am

LOL, that guy is so STooo pid!

Hey, BTW, that auction got pulled! Item no longer valid.

Is someone at Ebay waking up?

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:23 am

The Huckster reported it. I sent the seller an e-mail informing him that it was illegal to sell PDF's as well.

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Kosh Vorlontay
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:01 pm

Here is a Canadian PDF'er 2 of the same auctions

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 3&rd=1
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 5906535807

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Kosh Vorlontay
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:04 pm

D&D cartonn copies on VHS

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 9&rd=1

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:09 pm

darnsweetdeal is at it again

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 9&rd=1

Check out all the other book lot pdf's he has created.

cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSell ... mp;rows=50

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:12 pm

Are these copies or actual?

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 2&rd=1

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:07 pm

Kosh Vorlontay wrote:Are these copies or actual?

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 2&rd=1

Theyre recordings. They were never sold on DVD and only a handful of episodes ever made it to VHS.

I think the cartoons copyright's expired and are sort of in limbo at the moment much like "abandonware" software.

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:31 pm

All reported to [email protected]

But feel free to do it yourself.

Not sure if he can do anything about the cartoons. But passed that on as well.

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:05 pm

>Theyre recordings. They were never sold on DVD and only a handful >of episodes ever made it to VHS.

So, are these legit or bootlegs?

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:43 pm

They're bootlegs, copied from TV or videos.
Looks like darnsweet sold a crapload of his stuff.

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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:48 pm

If you want to see the Cartoon, I think Rhino is putting them out on DVD in the Fall (my fiance just got Jem, which they did a pretty good job on, and it was pretty cheap as far as cartoon series go).

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