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Post Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:40 pm 
 

Personally, as long as you advertise it as such, I've got no major qualms with the handouts and pull-outs being photocopies.  I'm sure there are people who'd buy them as playing copies.

For some reason, copies of covers just don't strike me as the same thing though... :?

  

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Post Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:42 pm 
 

I was being sarcastic.
Ethically, if you own the bulk of a module/book, I see nothing wrong at all with having photocopies of missing pages. Having 3 pages and photocopying 297 would be a stretch.


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Post Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:06 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:I was being sarcastic.
Ethically, if you own the bulk of a module/book, I see nothing wrong at all with having photocopies of missing pages. Having 3 pages and photocopying 297 would be a stretch.


That would be a way of stretching out a Ghost Tower or Lost TomMcMan, one page of module to 29 pages of photocopy,

  

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:08 am 
 

Exactly.
I had a DM's copy of Inverness a while back, and it was missing two sheets, both character sheets IIRC. A kindly soul here sent me copies of them. I didn't feel it was inappropriate, and I did make sure that the person that got it knew there were 2 non-original sheets.
I'd say a good rule of thumb might  be if you have 51% or more of the original, you are justified. I believe banks operate the same way with money; if you have more than half of a torn bill, they can replace it.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:31 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:I believe banks operate the same way with money; if you have more than half of a torn bill, they can replace it.


FYI,

On a quick side note, you can read more about replacing US currency here:

http://www.bep.treas.gov/section.cfm/8/39

I had to go through the process one time.


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Post Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:31 pm 
 

brute wrote:Selling 'xeroxed' copies of modules. This word used at least twice in auction. Please report this one.

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ... 0146017009


Several familiar bidders in that auction.  A tantamount endorsement of the sellers practices I guess.

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Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:10 am 
 

bonk! wrote:
Several familiar bidders in that auction.  A tantamount endorsement of the sellers practices I guess.

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I would imagine the seller felt justified in including the Xeroxed material since the majority of the auction consisted of real items and not copies.  However, the "tantamount endorsement" seems a bit harsh IMHO since the familiar bidders would probably not want the Xeroxed copies anyway and would possibly request them not to be included to cut down on shipping costs.  Just my two cents, but some of the "familiar bidders" you mention are some of the best resellers I have dealt with on Ebay.

  


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:37 am 
 


** expired/removed eBay auction **


Another one. :roll:


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:41 pm 
 

Reply from her:

Dear oldschooldnd,
 
RPGnow.com is the only place I know where you can purchase TSR products. And this is where I purchased it in 2005.
 
 
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Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:32 pm 
 

Never mind, she's a hammerhead:

No. This has been re-encrypted for my own personal use, and is from my collection. It has no watermarks or security. Should be able to reassemble, modify, copy ect.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:36 pm 
 

Reported her.  Does she really think it's legal?


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:56 am 
 

Apparently she does:


You are incorrect about TSR line of copyright matrial. When Wizards of the Coast purchased TSR, the copyright patents were never renewed and all TSR products copyright patents expired.

Yahoo! - 404 Not Found
TSR, Inc. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

With the copyright patents legaly expired, there is nothing ilegal about selling, purchasing, copying or distributing TSR products

What a moron.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:17 am 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Apparently she does:


You are incorrect about TSR line of copyright matrial. When Wizards of the Coast purchased TSR, the copyright patents were never renewed and all TSR products copyright patents expired.

Yahoo! - 404 Not Found
TSR, Inc. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

With the copyright patents legaly expired, there is nothing ilegal about selling, purchasing, copying or distributing TSR products

What a moron.


I just went to RPGNow as I wanted to see what rights were given when purchasing a PDF.  

I like the ability to de-activate a device for the DRM copies:

Can I deactivate a device?

Yes, though you must call Adobe Customer Service to do so. They can be reached at: XXX-XXX-XXXX.


The hard part is getting through to Adobe customer service at XXX-XXX-XXXX            8O  8O  8O  8O  8O  8O  8O  8O

It made no mention of selling your license.  I suspect there is a clause in there about not reselling it but couldn't find it.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:48 pm 
 

smarmy1 wrote:
the "tantamount endorsement" seems a bit harsh IMHO...


Sorry.  Not trying to sound harsh.  Just observing and opinionating...

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Post Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:38 pm 
 

Deadlord39 wrote:Apparently she does:


You are incorrect about TSR line of copyright matrial. When Wizards of the Coast purchased TSR, the copyright patents were never renewed and all TSR products copyright patents expired.

Yahoo! - 404 Not Found
TSR, Inc. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

With the copyright patents legaly expired, there is nothing ilegal about selling, purchasing, copying or distributing TSR products

What a moron.


I am no lawyer, but I think she is mistaken about the difference between not using a trademark...such as TSR...and giving up a copyright.

A copyright exists for a given number of years and can be renewed.  I believe the copyright exists for something like 70+ years.

I think she has read the line, "TSR trademarks were allowed to expire" and confused it with, "WOTC was so stupid that they allowed millions upon millions of dollars intellectual properties to go public domain."

I believe she has confused the legal concept of "failing to defend a trademark" with copyright law.

I believe there is a 99.5% chance she is totally wrong.


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:41 pm 
 

Ah!

I went back to report her again and I see that the listing has been removed as an "invalid item."

People can pretty much convince themselves of anything they want to believe.


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Post Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:49 am 
 

She e-mailed me that she had removed it, told me to get a life and a hobby. A hobby.


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Post Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:46 pm 
 


** expired/removed eBay auction **


i sent the seller a msg....to see if he has any sense to remove the auction....

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